History of Rors of Haryana

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As I have always said putting castes in OBC or SC/ST category has always been a political decision and depends on the number of votes that any community can provide to a ruling party. Jats have some 33% votes in Haryana. It has no connection with social heirarchy.
Furthermore, the article our friend @kandal has furnished clearly says Huda gave a new term to the five groups in question (special backward classes) :)

The five groups mentioned are Jat, Jat Sikh, Tyagi, Bishnoi and Ror.

None of these groups have ever been called Sudra by any brahmin or historian in Haryana or Punjab.

Further, looking at each case individually Jat is here due to political clout. The others are here just to provide legitimacy to the reservation for Jats so no one raises a finger saying how selfish of Jat politicians.

As it is, Tyagi, Bishnoi and Ror are included here just for lip service. First, Tyagi and Ror here are clearly from the uppermost places in the caste system. Second, Bishnoi is a religious sect and not a specific caste.

I'm also sure these groups will never get their share of jobs through this scheme. Whatever 5% or so jobs are being reserved for these 'special backwards' will all go to Jats, most probably.
 
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Providing excerpts here from the Gurnam Singh Commission of 1991

About the Ror community who secured 23 points out of the total of 60 points, the Commission felt that Rors were an agricultural community and they can not be separated from other similar agricultural communities like Ahir, Jat, Gujar etc. and if the latter communities are included in the list of backward classes the former cannot be excluded from it. The representation of Rors in Government services and educational institutions is also inadequate (Annexures G and H).

(Comments : The Survey says that they are not backward, but the Commission wanted to declare them Backward)
 
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I think in this discussion, it is also important to add a background for this new angle added by the article shared by @kandal

Devi Lal had instituted a commission under Justice Gurnam Singh to identify socially backward populations.

Based on the Justice Gurnam Singh Commission Report, Hukam Singh-led then Haryana Government had declared Ahir, Gujjar, Jat Sikh, Jat, Bisnoi, Saini, Ror, Tyagi and Rajput as backward castes.

But the next government of Bhajan Lal, following the Supreme Court order in the Indira Sawhney case (1992), constituted another BC Commission in 1993 under Ramji Lal and based on its report dropped out Jat, Jat Sikh, Bisnoi, Ror, Tyagi and Rajput from the list of OBCs.
 
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Actually the research is more on Jats than Rors.

Jats are culturally & religiously different from Hindus in the northern India. They are not part of "Brahmanic fold" and pray to their dead ancestors. The are also not clearly fitted into the HIndu Varna System.[1]

This has suggested that they are late migrants from either West Asia or Central Asia. Over the centuries there was a series of attacks-cum-migrations in to Indian sub-continent from West Asia and/or Central Asia. These included Persians / Achaemenids (c. 450 BCE), Greeks (c. 320 BCE till 10 CE), Parthians (c. 100 BCE onwards) Scythians (c. 100 BCE onwards), Kushans (c. a25 CE), Huns (c. 450 CE), etc.

Jats are believed to be people who came with one of these attacks-cum-migrations. They are found to follow all religions - Hindu, Islam, and Sikh. Presently they are widely spread from Pakistan to Chhattisgarh (India).

At this stage I am unable to add anything new on Rors.


[1] Jat people - Wikipedia
 

Aupmanyav

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The problem is that the DNA of Indus Valley people has not yet been analyzed. Many people came from Central Asia. Aryans may have come in around 2,000-1,500 BCE. Later, there were other people too and they all got mixed up. The incoming of Parthians, Persians, Greeks, Scythians, Kushanas and Huns can be roughly dated.
 
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The problem is that the DNA of Indus Valley people has not yet been analyzed. Many people came from Central Asia. Aryans may have come in around 2,000-1,500 BCE. Later, there were other people too and they all got mixed up. The incoming of Parthians, Persians, Greeks, Scythians, Kushanas and Huns can be roughly dated.
Actually, this paper has made some progress. For instance, Kambojas are shown to have had an ancient admixture event 150 generations (4500 years) ago. Nothing after that.

Rors in this article had an event 50 generations ago, where they picked up more India specific ancestry. Gujjars only received more western ancestry as recently as 15 generations or so ago.

These events have been used to propose a date of 3000 BC for Ror arrival in Indus Valley
 
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Jul 2017
402
Sydney
Actually the research is more on Jats than Rors.

Jats are culturally & religiously different from Hindus in the northern India. They are not part of "Brahmanic fold" and pray to their dead ancestors. The are also not clearly fitted into the HIndu Varna System.[1]

This has suggested that they are late migrants from either West Asia or Central Asia. Over the centuries there was a series of attacks-cum-migrations in to Indian sub-continent from West Asia and/or Central Asia. These included Persians / Achaemenids (c. 450 BCE), Greeks (c. 320 BCE till 10 CE), Parthians (c. 100 BCE onwards) Scythians (c. 100 BCE onwards), Kushans (c. a25 CE), Huns (c. 450 CE), etc.

Jats are believed to be people who came with one of these attacks-cum-migrations. They are found to follow all religions - Hindu, Islam, and Sikh. Presently they are widely spread from Pakistan to Chhattisgarh (India).

At this stage I am unable to add anything new on Rors.


[1] Jat people - Wikipedia
Oh! I was referring to this recent press release by Vigyan Prasar handle of GoI

Haryana Rors - Indus Valley
 

Aatreya

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Dec 2014
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Actually, this paper has made some progress. For instance, Kambojas are shown to have had an ancient admixture event 150 generations (4500 years) ago. Nothing after that.

Rors in this article had an event 50 generations ago, where they picked up more India specific ancestry. Gujjars only received more western ancestry as recently as 15 generations or so ago.

These events have been used to propose a date of 3000 BC for Ror arrival in Indus Valley
Do you think Rors brought Vedic religion to India?
 
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Do you think Rors brought Vedic religion to India?
Not at all! To the contrary, I believe this finding still has some circular referencing problems and with more discoveries of ancient DNA (hopefully Baghpat soon) we would be able to show Ror as a predecessor of Yamnaya (early to middle bronze age on the steppes)

After all, whatever history is available from that far back (read Indian Vedas or Puranas) do talk of Chakravartin campaigns of Kartavirya Arjuna, which must have affected the steppes

But I do agree with this paper on that the other populations from the northern region picked up their western seeming genetics from the Ror, who may also represent the yet unresolved Indian contributors to the steppes region
 
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