Hitler and religion

Jan 2015
5,374
Ontario, Canada
#11
Hitler was also a believer in Providence--in part as a result of him surviving various assassination attempts.
Yeah. Providence, Pantheism, Fate, God, Nature. In general were used as a somewhat vague term to mean something that was out of their control at the time. Like there was a sort of plan or higher order but not necessarily in a religious sense. We tend to see this a lot after the Enlightenment. The notion of a deity becomes a lot more agnostic or metaphorical rather than literal.

I'll go into Paganism some more. There were some people who were practicing Pagans. For example Ludendorff was openly Pagan. However Paganism was regarded as being extreme and anti-Christian. Many Pagans and Pagan Nationalists were at constant odds with Christians, they also wrote their own revisionist histories in which Charlemagne was denounced for persecuting Pagans for instance. This contradicted the official narrative but also cultural views that Germans had. Charlemagne, Christian conversion and the Empire were considered the beginnings of German civilization, not the pre-Christian tribes.

As such these Pagans were seen as being fundamentally against German values and against German society. The NSDAP did not make Pagans disappear in the middle of the night. But the only Pagan "church" was shut down and Pagans were not allowed to practice publicly. They also didn't want Occultism to start leaking out into the mainstream, which motivated their disbanding of the Thule society.
 
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authun

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Aug 2011
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#14
Thank you very much.Who were the best protestant friends of Hitler ?
The problem is how to define a protestant. To begin with, around 1933, people like the lutheran pastor Niemoeller were supportive of Hitler, but as the nazis established the Reichskirche, people like Rosenburg, who hated Chritianity and advocated replacing the Bible with Mein Kampf and the Crucifix with the Swastika, he started to speak out against the nazification of the church. He signed a petition issued by many lutheran pastors in 1936 condemning the new church and was arrested in 1937 charged with 'abuse of the pulpit'. He was imprisonned in the Dachau and Sachsenhausen concentration camps until 1945. Rosenburg was a 'positive christian' of the new' Reichskirche'.

There is an informative wiki page on the nazification process called Kirchenkampf, the church struggle.

Niemoeller' famous poem:

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Alfred Rosenburg was responsible for the cultural and philosophical direction of the new postive christianity:

Alfred Rosenberg - Wikipedia
 
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Larrey

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Sep 2011
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#17
Thank you very much.I would like to know if there were protestants among the political men judged in Nuremberg.
From a European perspective that's a bit weird a question. They were Nazis. Why does whatever religion they happened to be born into matter? (Well, they weren't Jewish, but that's about it.)
 

authun

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Aug 2011
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#18
I thought Rosenberg and Bormann were Atheistic, well in a sort of Deist or Naturalist sense. But extremely anti-religion.
Well Rosenberg wasn't Christian and condemned 'negative christianity', the orthodox beliefs of Protestant and Catholic churches and saw them as contaminated by judaism. He advocated 'positive christianity' which isn't christianity at all but, because of his direction of the Reichskirche, people think he was a nazi supporting christian whereas the reality was that he claimed that Jesus was an indo european living in a nordic enclave of Galilee stuggling against judaism.

This sort of thinking was planned from the outset. As soon as Hitler came to power in 1933, all the farmers in lower saxony had, by law, to hand over any large boulders that they found on their land. These 'Findlinge' were rocks dropped there at the end of the ice age. They built a conference centre at Sachsenhain near Verden and a sort of nazi conference and learning centre at a place they termed 'Thingplatz', a pagan term, and used the boulders to line a memorial walk. The memorial was to those ancient germans 'murdered when the foreign religion was introduced in the fateful year of 800'. By this was meant the so called Massacre at Verden when the Franks were forcibly trying to convert the pagan saxons. There are about 4,000 boulders, one for each saxon.

 
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Isleifson

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Aug 2013
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Lorraine tudesque
#19
Good post Authun. A Nazi victory would has been the end of the Christian faith in Europe.

Zuerst die Juden dann die Pfaffen

First the jews then the priests
 
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Dec 2015
3,359
USA
#20
According to Albert Speer, Hitler was a Catholic until his dying days.

Indeed the leadership of the Catholic Church has excommunicated Communists...but the Catholic leadership did not excommunicate Hitler during WW2. In the modern times Pope Francis has recently excommunicated a high ranking official of the Church for sex abuse crimes, that is the type of leadership that was not found in the Catholic Church wrt the many many Catholic leaders that happily worked for the Axis powers during WW2.

Whether or not in his head Hitler believed in God, and perhaps only Hitler knew that...is a subject for debate..We can see the fact is Hitler had to deal with a 99% Christian population in Germany...so Hitler had to work with this.

The Reich only worked for the time that it did because it had Christians supporting it. Without Christian support, there would have never been a Third Reich as Germany was 99% Christian in the WW2 era.
 
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