Hitler&Stalin pact against Europe

Oct 2012
889
Sweden stayed neutral but the Wallenberg family was very helpful to the Nazi war economy through their bank and industries
their company SKF sold a lot of ball bearings to Germany ,
as such trusted friends , they were allowed by the Nazis , late in the war , to somehow whiten their public image with display of humanitarianism
Anything to support your last sentence?
 
Sep 2019
486
Slovenia
@deaf tuner there are some informations also about German materials sent to USSR in exchange for Soviet supplies in the book written by mr. Brugel. But not so detailed true. It is however a good reason for this. It was not just an exchange of goods, but Soviets also were paying some territory which they annexed to Third Reich. Part of southern Lithuania which i mentioned before is one example. But there is more to it. In early 1940 for example Stalin was not glad about German exchange, saying at the end of year exchange should be leveled. But Ribbentrop reminded him that this is not just about exchange of goods ( and avoidning embargo ) pointing out how German victory in Poland enabled Soviet union to occupy and annex eastern Poland and after this Stalin agreed that German deliveries to USSR can be delayed.
 

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
5,648
Sydney
Raoul Wallenberg was authorized to operate his humanitarian effort pretty late in the war ,
to get access to the deportation registers he needed to have received the OK at least from Eichmann , probably with a nod from Himmler himself
Himmler was trying to get some contacts with the Western Allies around that time using a trucks for Jews swap deal
Wallenberg was chosen as the representative of the american War refugee board rather than count Bernadotte the chairman of the Red Cross
because Wallenberg was a well known friendly business contact of the Nazis
count Bernadotte however saved ten of thousands of Jews through his organisation ,
nominated United Nation mediator for Palestine he was assassinated while in Jerusalem in 1948 by the Jewish terror group Lehi on the orders of Yitzhak Shamir , future prime minister of Israel
 
Oct 2012
889
Raoul Wallenberg was authorized to operate his humanitarian effort pretty late in the war ,
to get access to the deportation registers he needed to have received the OK at least from Eichmann , probably with a nod from Himmler himself
Himmler was trying to get some contacts with the Western Allies around that time using a trucks for Jews swap deal
Wallenberg was chosen as the representative of the american War refugee board rather than count Bernadotte the chairman of the Red Cross
because Wallenberg was a well known friendly business contact of the Nazis
count Bernadotte however saved ten of thousands of Jews through his organisation ,
nominated United Nation mediator for Palestine he was assassinated while in Jerusalem in 1948 by the Jewish terror group Lehi on the orders of Yitzhak Shamir , future prime minister of Israel
I am not saying that your theory about Raoul Wallenberg is impossible, just like to know if it is anything but speculation?
Meaning mainly the "whitewashing" of Wallenbergs by their nazi chums.
 

sparky

Ad Honorem
Jan 2017
5,648
Sydney
It is speculation , the Wallenberg family had been very active in trade an business with the Nazis ,
there is no indications of their concern for victims before 1944 at which time the end of the war was writ large
as sophisticated businessmen they understood some re-positioning was necessary
 

deaf tuner

Ad Honoris
Oct 2013
14,823
Europix
@deaf tuner there are some informations also about German materials sent to USSR in exchange for Soviet supplies in the book written by mr. Brugel. But not so detailed true. It is however a good reason for this. It was not just an exchange of goods, but Soviets also were paying some territory which they annexed to Third Reich. Part of southern Lithuania which i mentioned before is one example. But there is more to it. In early 1940 for example Stalin was not glad about German exchange, saying at the end of year exchange should be leveled. But Ribbentrop reminded him that this is not just about exchange of goods ( and avoidning embargo ) pointing out how German victory in Poland enabled Soviet union to occupy and annex eastern Poland and after this Stalin agreed that German deliveries to USSR can be delayed.
The reason You are giving for M. Brügel not being too specific on the German counterpart in his book doesn't stand scrutiny: the book was written four decades after the WWII. All Nazi governance was was gone, so they couldn't have influenced/forced him to not be specific.

German exports in 1941 were mainly machine tools and aluminium. Both being critical in ... military industry of the URSS.

When You finished with Your book, I would suggest You a small read on the matter: German-Soviet economic relations at the time of the Hitler-Stalin pact, 1939-1941 - Persée
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
5,648
Sydney
as part of the exchange , the Soviets received the full construction drawings of the Bismark
they got to take a detailed look at planes and tanks
this led to an incident when asking to see the German heavy tank they were shown the Pzkw 4
they were furious claiming the German were hiding their real heavy ,
the mark 4 topped the scales at a mere 25 tonnes

at the time the heavy soviet tanks were in the 45 tonnes range with some rather crazy models like the T-35 weighing at 55 tonnes
while it hardly could cross a bridge because of its weight , it didn't matter since they regularly broke down after a few miles
 
Sep 2019
486
Slovenia
Soviet economy was extremely hardly mismanaged even before WW2 by communists, their terror and central planning. The policy of Stalin and Molotov during the pact just increased the power of Third Reich. Around two milion people died in Soviet gulags during WW2. Mostly because of lack of food. The biggest mortality rates were in 1942. When war with Third Reich started Stalin and NKVD increased also terror against political prisoners killing them in great numbers. Western help kept Soviet union alive othervise it would collapse economically during war with Nazi Germany.
 
Feb 2017
526
Latin America
About 80% of Europe was under Nazi rule, direct or indirect, at the height of WWII. But yes, let's keep the facade that this was a fascist-Communist pact to divide Europe up.
 

deaf tuner

Ad Honoris
Oct 2013
14,823
Europix
Soviet economy was extremely hardly mismanaged even before WW2 by communists, their terror and central planning. The policy of Stalin and Molotov during the pact just increased the power of Third Reich. Around two milion people died in Soviet gulags during WW2. Mostly because of lack of food. The biggest mortality rates were in 1942. When war with Third Reich started Stalin and NKVD increased also terror against political prisoners killing them in great numbers. Western help kept Soviet union alive othervise it would collapse economically during war with Nazi Germany.
With all do respect, that is an extremely rudimentary analysis.

1. Bolsheviks inherited a non-existent economy from the Tzarist Empire. Even new-born Central/East European dwarf nations were better.

2. Bolsheviks (regardless their mismanagement and crimes) knew it all too well, and were desperate about it. It is why they changed their foreign policy. The country that offered them the most advantageous deal was Nazi Germany, so they took the with both arms. As later, when things changed, they cut a deal with the Western allies.

2. Western allies "didn't kept alive" URSS but made everything needed for the Red Army doing what it was supposed to do: chewing the German military. Which it did, as more than 80% of the German Army was destroyed by the Red Army.

R-M pact, exactly as the following pact between Western allies and URSS were based on one sole thing:

Realpolitik.