Hitler was a British Agent?

[kazeuma]

...his favorite dish was Leberknödel, so his vegetarianism is a myth.

Not really - the best way to poison someone was through meals with meat in it -> you can hide cyanide better with the herbs and spices of meat. Hitler was not poisoned by his enemies - though some TRIED.

 

[Alexander the Gay]

Why would a man controlling the most powerful nation of the time be an agent of a lesser power?

i agree with most of wat you said but nazi germany was nowwhere the most powerfful nation of his time. USA, British Empire and Soviet Union were all more powerful than him.

 

[Kaficek]

This is a much more entertaining WWII conspiracy book. It's all about Ian Fleming going undercover into Berlin in 1945 to whisk away Martin Bormann in order to get him to reveal the secret hiding places of Nazi gold.

 

[kazeuma]

This is a much more entertaining WWII conspiracy book. It's all about Ian Fleming going undercover into Berlin in 1945 to whisk away Martin Bormann in order to get him to reveal the secret hiding places of Nazi gold.

so.... in the book, did James Bond sleep with Bormann's girlfriend?

I am joking of course - but i would not put it past MI to do that sort of thing - seize the hidden Nazi gold.

 

[Arminius]

This is a much more entertaining WWII conspiracy book. It's all about Ian Fleming going undercover into Berlin in 1945 to whisk away Martin Bormann in order to get him to reveal the secret hiding places of Nazi gold.

haha. That’s fiction though, isn’t it?

Isn’t it?

 

[The Elephant]

Had anyone read this book? What do you think?
Hitler was a British Agent covers Hitler's psychological training in Britain during his missing year (1912) and how this was activated throughout WWII to steer him as a puppet of British intelligence, carrying out their plan to destroy the European powers, particularly France, Germany and Russia. ... Google Books

British intelligence is so good that they controlled Hitler? YAWN.

 

[Kaficek]

haha. That’s fiction though, isn’t it?

Isn’t it?

DNA testing of Bormann's remains suggest that it's fiction, yes.

But then, surely "they" could fake DNA tests if they wanted the hide the gold, right?

 

[Arminius]

But then, surely "they" could fake DNA tests if they wanted the hide the gold, right?

exactly!

 

[Dan Howard]

...his favorite dish was Leberknödel, so his vegetarianism is a myth.

Yep. He temporarily went on a vegetarian diet to control excessive sweatiness and flatulence but his regular diet included meat. There are plenty of biographies, including Speer's, mentioning that Hitler ate meat. He was apparently fond of Bavarian sausages.

Patterson wrote that when Hitler came to power in 1933:

"...he banned all the vegetarian societies in Germany, arrested their leaders, and shut down the main vegetarian magazine published in Frankfurt. …during the war Nazi Germany banned all vegetarian organizations in the territories it occupied, even though vegetarian diets would have helped alleviate wartime food shortages." *

*source: Eternal Treblinka: Our Treatment of Animals and the Holocaust: Patterson, Charles: 9781930051997: Amazon.com: Books

 

[Dan Howard]

Hitler's supposed visit to England in 1912 was popularized by Beryl Bainbridge in her 1978 fictional novel, "Young Adolf". In 1912 Hitler was actually in Vienna. He was poor - peddling his mediocre art and doing occasional commissions for shop signs and posters. He wandered around the galleries and attended an occasional party rally. Police records say that he left Vienna in 1913 - probably to avoid compulsory military service. Police located him in Munich and forced him to report to Salzburg for military service where he failed the examination.

 

[stevev]

It's clear that Hitler being a British agent is nonsense. But he did want Britain to drop out of the war for obvious reasons. Was there any British politician who may have considered Hitler's peace offer based on the "Map of Europe"?

 

[stanilic]

Hitler's supposed visit to England in 1912 was popularized by Beryl Bainbridge in her 1978 fictional novel, "Young Adolf". In 1912 Hitler was actually in Vienna. He was poor - peddling his mediocre art and doing occasional commissions for shop signs and posters. He wandered around the galleries and attended an occasional party rally. Police records say that he left Vienna in 1913 - probably to avoid compulsory military service. Police located him in Munich and forced him to report to Salzburg for military service where he failed the examination.

Hitler's art or rather painting was reasonably decent copying in a representative style. It was dull but the sort of stuff tourists would buy as souvenirs. As art it was poor but as a way to make a humble living it beat factory work. If Hitler had worked in a factory his personal deficiencies would have been exposed early on which was probably why he never got a job in a factory.

I commend anyone who wishes to investigate Hitler's personality to read Lothar Machtan's `The Hidden Hitler'. it raises very interesting issues.

 

[Leftyhunter]

Hitler's art or rather painting was reasonably decent copying in a representative style. It was dull but the sort of stuff tourists would buy as souvenirs. As art it was poor but as a way to make a humble living it beat factory work. If Hitler had worked in a factory his personal deficiencies would have been exposed early on which was probably why he never got a job in a factory.

I commend anyone who wishes to investigate Hitler's personality to read Lothar Machtan's `The Hidden Hitler'. it raises very interesting issues.

Amazon product ASIN B014GG7XJOThis book was assigned reading in my German history class.
Hitler was definitely an interesting character but apparently very lazy except when in the German Army where he was actually an excellent soldier but thought of by his fellow soldiers as kind of weird. Before Hitler joined the German Army in 1914 between his inheritance and painting pictures he could get by. Hitler actually lived for a time in a homeless shelter in Vienna that was funded by a Jewish philanthropist.
Leftyhunter

 

[stanilic]

Amazon product ASIN B014GG7XJOThis book was assigned reading in my German history class.
Hitler was definitely an interesting character but apparently very lazy except when in the German Army where he was actually an excellent soldier but thought of by his fellow soldiers as kind of weird. Before Hitler joined the German Army in 1914 between his inheritance and painting pictures he could get by. Hitler actually lived for a time in a homeless shelter in Vienna that was funded by a Jewish philanthropist.
Leftyhunter

I don't think the German Imperial Army was the sort of organisation which allowed you to be lazy. They were very good in the field and certainly did for a few of my relatives, some of whom were pretty capable as well. My belief is that Hitler had the sort of personality that would have lapped up praise from his officers and often performed for just that response. In my neighbourhood we would have called him a crawler.

As well as Machtan's book `The Hidden Hitler' in which it is alleged that Hitler was homosexual, although I am not wholly convinced of this; another work by David Lewis `The Man Who Invented Hitler' illustrates that a psychologist may have helped Hitler to recover from the shell-shock that smote him towards the end of the Great War. Lewis argues that the deliberate positivism used to help Hitler return to normal life was the same force that launched him into politics.

Hitler is an anomalous character. I have elsewhere likened him to The Mule in Isaac Asimov's `Foundation & Empire' series.

The sense I get from Hitler is of a petty-bourgeois, poorly educated, encouraged in his art as he had little other talent, with a nuanced sexuality that could have either taken him joyfully into a steady marriage with a nice .... or sent him off to romp with other men. Sadly, given the times the latter gave a conventional man like him a very serious guilt-trip. In other words he was always having `to pull himself together', if you get the meaning. This was a tragedy for us all. The lesson is that society has to allow each person to find their way as best as they can and not enforce attitudes, values and conventions onto others.

 

[specul8]

British intelligence is so good that they controlled Hitler? YAWN.

And then get him to bomb the .... out of them as part of the cover up .

 

[Naomasa298]

"The name's Hitler. Adolf Hitler. Fraulein Geldpfennig, a brandy schnapps please, shaken, not stirred."

 

[specul8]

Yep. He temporarily went on a vegetarian diet to control excessive sweatiness and flatulence but his regular diet included meat. There are plenty of biographies, including Speer's, mentioning that Hitler ate meat. He was apparently fond of Bavarian sausages.

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He was a German ... of course he ate sausages .

Monday dinner - weisswurst, Tuesday - blutwurst , Wednesday - frankfurter wurstechen, Thursday -leberwurst , Friday - thuringer rostbratwurst ( PGI * ), Saturday - bratwurst and Sunday ... the 'wurst' of all - breganwurst .

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* ' Protected Geographical Indication ' status under European law .

 

[Leftyhunter]

I don't think the German Imperial Army was the sort of organisation which allowed you to be lazy. They were very good in the field and certainly did for a few of my relatives, some of whom were pretty capable as well. My belief is that Hitler had the sort of personality that would have lapped up praise from his officers and often performed for just that response. In my neighbourhood we would have called him a crawler.

As well as Machtan's book `The Hidden Hitler' in which it is alleged that Hitler was homosexual, although I am not wholly convinced of this; another work by David Lewis `The Man Who Invented Hitler' illustrates that a psychologist may have helped Hitler to recover from the shell-shock that smote him towards the end of the Great War. Lewis argues that the deliberate positivism used to help Hitler return to normal life was the same force that launched him into politics.

Hitler is an anomalous character. I have elsewhere likened him to The Mule in Isaac Asimov's `Foundation & Empire' series.

The sense I get from Hitler is of a petty-bourgeois, poorly educated, encouraged in his art as he had little other talent, with a nuanced sexuality that could have either taken him joyfully into a steady marriage with a nice .... or sent him off to romp with other men. Sadly, given the times the latter gave a conventional man like him a very serious guilt-trip. In other words he was always having `to pull himself together', if you get the meaning. This was a tragedy for us all. The lesson is that society has to allow each person to find their way as best as they can and not enforce attitudes, values and conventions onto others.

Only in the army did Hitler work hard. During the time he was campaigning for office he would sometimes take trips to the country sides for a day or two.
Not sure how much work Hitler put in during WWII as his doctors prescribed all kinds of mood altering medications.
Leftyhunter

 

[Eryl Enki]

i agree with most of wat you said but nazi germany was nowwhere the most powerfful nation of his time. USA, British Empire and Soviet Union were all more powerful than him.

I partially agree with you here. Economically Germany was not the most powerful nation. But militarily (land) and technologically, Germany was arguably the most powerful nation at the time. The German army was awe inspiring; basically the equivalent of the Napoleonic army and other legendary armies in term of military prowess. Whether we hate their ideology is irrelevant here.

 

[Oldandeasilycofused]

As we seem to be floating on the edge of Cloud Cuckoo land, I'd like to ask a question about which I've thought about over a few years:

RUDOLPH HESS: High ranking, fanatical Nazi, devoted to Der Fuhrer.

How likely was it that his ill fated flight to England was done on Hitler's behalf? if it worked, fabulous, if not he could disown Hess as a nutjob and traitor.

I'm about to look this up to see.------Well, it seems recent documents have made exactly that claim------BUT, had forgotten how early in the war this happened, March 1941. IE before Germany had declared war on the US. Interesting hypothetical though.

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Unpleasant truth: 1941 parachuting of Rudolf Hess in England | Veterans News Report

www.veteransnewsreport.com

Historian Uncovers New Account: Document Suggests Hitler Knew of Hess' British Flight Plans

Was Rudolf Hess's infamous flight to Great Britain in 1941 coordinated with Adolf Hitler? Although historians have long believed that the Nazi Party's second-in-command was acting on his own, newly revealed statements by a senior Hess adjutant may suggest otherwise.

www.spiegel.de