Holy Trinity a Fake?

Apr 2018
4
Ohio/USA
#52
Trinity is bogus. Made by a bunch of men who had to find a middle ground amongst their conflicting opopions because they were trying to restore order and get everyone on the same page so they could grow and prosper.
They didn't all agree on the Trinity in the way that it went down in the Creed. As I said, it was just a middle ground, where a group had opposing views and it was a way to settle the differences.
what you posted, is the Philadelphia Church of God, an offshoot to Herbert Armstrongs Worldwide Church of God. After Armstrong died, the Church factioned into tons of offshoots and sects. Philadelphia COG is just one of many. Armstrong helped to bring back some important truths (God's nature, Seventh day Sabbath, Festivals, etc.) but he isn't what his followers claimed him to be.. which was the end time prophet Elijah. He had failed predictions/prophecies and I wouldn't exactly take him as God's prophet, but nonetheless, he is still very influential and intelligent and knew the Bible very well. I have been reading his books, and books based on his teachings for the past year or so now and it has peaked my interest in Bible prophecy. He has also helped open my eyes to world events and to what the future holds. It's all in the Bible and he pointed that out. I am reading China and Russia in Prophecy, a book from the Philadelphia Church of God that was written on his teachings. It's extremely interesting. His views regarding Americans/British and Ancestry are VERY entertaining as well. He makes you think, that's for sure....
You should order some free material from some of these Churches of God that speak specifically about God and Jesus AKA the God Family and his views regarding the Trinity...
www.ucg.org United Church of God, An International Assocation
www.rcg.org Restored Church of God
Living Church of God Living Church of God
all have some good material on this subject.

Trinity is fake. It is not real. Just a quick doctrine made up to shut people up and to get people on one page. People dare not question it. that is, until the Reformation and on. People have been questioning it like never before and realizing it has no support from the Bible.
Continue researching this subject!
 
Jan 2012
1,350
uk
#53
An interesting topic I have recently gotten myself into. The holy trinity may in fact not exist.

https://www.pcog.org/articles/344/the-plain-truth-about-the-trinity-doctrine

The Trinity -- Fact or Fiction?


Just a conspiracy theory, or may actually be something worth exploring?

Any thoughts on this?
The Holy Trinity is not a fake doctrine and it is truly God created concept. In christianity as we see God the father, Son and the Holy spirit ,this Trinity does three actions in the life of humanity.

God the father created us
God the son Jesus redeemed us
God the Holy spirit guides us.

The same doctrine is also we can see in Saivism and Vaishnavism(two major branches in Hindu religion) as "TRIMOORTHY" Tri means three and Moorthy means persons Three Persons. In Saivism Trimoorthy is God Shiva , Goddess Sakthi (Uma Maheshwari, Parvathy several names) and Son God Muruga & Ganapathy. InVaishnavism Trimoorthy is God Shiva , Vishnu and Brahman.

Out of three major religions of the world (Christianity, Islam and Hindu religion) it is only in Islam the doctrine of Trinity is does not exist.

Other than religious and spiritual perspective, if we look at us the Trinity concept is already built in us by nature(God ?) Every human consists of three structures His Body, His life Force and His soul.
 
Jul 2017
842
Crete
#54
Too the first century imperialists , the trinity would be Julius Caesar ( Divvs Pater) , Augustus Caesar (Divvs Filivs) and Venus Genetrix (Spiritvs Sancti).

The trinity could be expanded too include Λόγος πάθος ψυχή σοφός ἀρετή
 

Bart Dale

Ad Honorem
Dec 2009
7,095
#56
An interesting topic I have recently gotten myself into. The holy trinity may in fact not exist.

https://www.pcog.org/articles/344/the-plain-truth-about-the-trinity-doctrine

The Trinity -- Fact or Fiction?


Just a conspiracy theory, or may actually be something worth exploring?

Any thoughts on this?
The Trinity was a concept, a theory really, that was developed to explain certain "facts" founded in the New Testament. Kind of like how Quantum Tneory was created to explain certain observed experimental results and phenonmenon seen in nature. The Bible made certain statements and claims in it, and if you work from the premise the bible is "true", the theory of the Trinity was created to reconcile all these competing claims.

Bible stated that God is one, that is said repeatedly throughout the Old Testament and even in the New Testament. Yet the NT also Jesus and the Fatner are one (John), and Jesus is said to be responsible for all of creation (see John), which Genesis ascribes to God. Jesus in the NT accepts worship that by rights belongs to God alone. To reconcile these statements, you have several options:

1. Simply say the NT was wrong in what it said about Jesus (no acceptable option)

2. Accept that there is more than one God (against the OT and the core of Jewish tradition, not an acceptable option)

3. Accept that Jesus and God are somehow one (acceptable, if complicated)

4. Accept Jesus is somehow divine, but in a lesser form than God (could meet both OT and NT claims, but it is too easy to evolve either in Jesus being a separate god, i.e. polytheism, which was not ok, or Jesus just being human, which is insufficient to the claims made about Jesus in the NT)

Christians eventually chose option 3, as best reconciling what the NT and OT said. While the NT doesn't explicitly state the theory of the Trinity, Gospels claims like those in John, where Jesus existed before creation, and was responsible for creation ("not a thing that was made was made without him") indicates that even the Gospel writers thought Jesus was more than a mere man, even if they didn't have the idea of the Trinity in their minds.
 
Dec 2014
567
United States
#58
It is indeed a fact that many Christian denominations believe in defining God as a Triniti consisting of God the Creator, Christ his son and agent of human redemption, and the Holy Spirit that dwells within the human heart. That God exists is not a fact, but a matter of religious conviction. Even among those who accept the existence of a God, how that enity is defined can vary greatly. Thats also a fact.

As a matter of historical interest, tracing the origins and evolution of a devine Trinity might appeal to some of our members. Debating the theology and "truth" of any religion is probably not going to last long here. For your thread to prosper you will need to shift your source materials from a religious perspective to the historical record.

The history of early Christianity is of great interest to many, and there have been many studies published over the past couple of hundred years. The "primary sources" are more scarce, and often consist of texts written at some distance in time and place from the period when Jesus lived. It seems that the Jesus Movement was rooted in Jewish resistence to Roman occupation and popular dis-satisfaction with Judaism as practiced by the Herods. What exactly did Jesus teach/preach? After the death of Jesus, his brother James (James the Just) became leader of the Jesus Movement and presumably continued to promote the same doctrines. Christianity began as a relatively small Jewish Reform movement with the disiples and the family at its core. Paul recognized the legitimacy of the Jerusalem group, but many of the Paulen interpretations were not accepted by the Jerusalem Faction. After the murder of James the Just and the final Jewish Revolt, the Jewish School of Christianity faded and was basically lost.

So what we have today, is the version of Christianity taught by Paul. The emphasis changed from reforming Judaism and Roman resistance, to "the Messiah came not to reform, but to destroy the old Covenant". Paul's theology shifted the Abrahamic God from being the deity of Jews, to all of Mankind. Pauline theology also shifted from the importance of Old Testament strictures to making simple, but all abiding faith in what he was preaching as the core of the new religion. After the death of Paul, his writings formed the foundations for the gospels that continued to evolve. Small Christian communities around the Mediterranean Sea believed in a variety of doctrines based mostly on whatever documents and traditions they had until Constantine's Council of Nicaea.

After the Council of Nicaea, Christianity then became the official religion of the what remained of the Roman System. Anything that didn't suit, was declared an anathema and destroyed. In modern times a number of treasure troves of religious and secular documents from the period have been recovered. Serious studies of those documents underscore the lack of any single dominant theme in what Jesus taught and/or what the faithful believed. In the West Christianity became Roman, but in the East a more conservative expression of Christianity prevailed. Roman Christianity was a dominant part of the European Medieval that lasted until around the 15th century. Following the Renaissance, the Roman Church faced a growing Protestant Movement that itself broke into smaller sects and schools. Religious Wars devastated Europe until religious authority was banished from secular government, though echos of those Religious Wars continue today, ie. the Irish Troubles.
What does the Trinity mean exactly? I find it confusing that the Bible implies that Jesus does the Millenium Reign and Great White Throne Judgement at separate times, since he is God and has no limitations.
 
Dec 2014
567
United States
#59
I think its a matter of misinterpretation perhaps. As is most contradictions in the Bible. (btw. Im a Christian).
Do you think we cant be sinless but we can not sin is a paradox? That sounds almost like a time paradox. I mentioned that because you mentioned contardictions in the Bible, and I mentioned something that could sound paradoxical to some people.
 

Ficino

Ad Honorem
Apr 2012
6,941
Romania
#60
Do you think we cant be sinless but we can not sin is a paradox? That sounds almost like a time paradox. I mentioned that because you mentioned contardictions in the Bible, and I mentioned something that could sound paradoxical to some people.
Why do you say that "we can't be sinless"?
 

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