How come South Korea was able to survive while South Vietnam wasn't?

Futurist

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May 2014
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What factors contributed to South Korea's survival which failed to be replicated in South Vietnam? As in, why did the former survive all of the way up to the present-day but the latter didn't?

Was it because South Korea was actually able to secure its borders--unlike South Vietnam? Also, were there any other factors which contributed to South Korea's survival which failed to be replicated in South Vietnam?
 
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As you suggest, the border between North Korea and South Korea could be secured far more completely than the borders of North Vietnam and Laos with South Vietnam.
Also, the very extended time that the Communists could inflict losses on the U.S. in guerilla war exceeded the time the Communists could inflict such losses on us in Korea in conventional war. So, growing dissatisfaction in the U.S. with our efforts.
 
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Futurist

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As you suggest, the border between North Korea and South Korea could be secured far more completely than the borders of North Vietnam and Laos with South Vietnam.
Also, the very extended time that the Communists could inflict losses on the U.S. in guerilla war exceeded the time the Communists could inflict such losses on us in Korea in conventional war. So, growing dissatisfaction in the U.S. with our efforts.
Was North Korea incapable of shifting to guerrilla war?
 

pugsville

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Was North Korea incapable of shifting to guerrilla war?
Guerilla war in large part relies on teh support of the population.

Korea the Border was short across a peninsular rather than a long country with a porprous borders to fairly unstable other countries.
 
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The Vietnam war was a cluster-**** in many more ways than the Korean one. Admittedly, the Korean war wasn't our best war ever either. As mentioned, the borders certainly contributed, there are a few other factors I think contributed here.

Politically, we were in a much better position towards the end of the Korean war. We didn't have to worry so much about nuclear war. MacArthur even suggested cutting off the Chinese forces by detonating 30-40 atomic bombs in Manchuria!

By contrast, I remember telling you in another thread, how we wouldn't even invade North Vietnam for fear of WW3. The North Vietnamese were not going ro stop attacking. So, essentially we eventually discovered that we would either risk world-annihilation or pull-out of the the country. We weren't going to stay there forever.
 

Futurist

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Guerilla war in large part relies on teh support of the population.

Korea the Border was short across a peninsular rather than a long country with a porprous borders to fairly unstable other countries.
So, the Communists had a lot of support in South Vietnam but not in South Korea?

Also, was there any way of securing the South Vietnamese borders?
 

Futurist

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May 2014
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The Vietnam war was a cluster-**** in many more ways than the Korean one. Admittedly, the Korean war wasn't our best war ever either. As mentioned, the borders certainly contributed, there are a few other factors I think contributed here.

Politically, we were in a much better position towards the end of the Korean war. We didn't have to worry so much about nuclear war. MacArthur even suggested cutting off the Chinese forces by detonating 30-40 atomic bombs in Manchuria!

By contrast, I remember telling you in another thread, how we wouldn't even invade North Vietnam for fear of WW3. The North Vietnamese were not going ro stop attacking. So, essentially we eventually discovered that we would either risk world-annihilation or pull-out of the the country. We weren't going to stay there forever.
I certainly don't think that either the Soviet Union or China would have actually been willing to start WWIII over Vietnam. A conventional Chinese military intervention to support the North Vietnamese in the event of U.S. invasion would have been much more realistic, though.
 

pugsville

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And what exactly made the South Korean government any more legitimate?

Don;t know much about the Korean situation but the South Vitenam goivernment lacked any sort legitmacy from the start, and was woefully corrupt. The Veitnam situation was also produced by the french Indo china war , where the war of indpeendence gave the communists a lot of credibilty and foreign supported goivernments a lack of credibility.


"Diệm held a referendum on 23 October 1955 to determine the future of the country. He asked voters to approve a republic, thus removing Bảo Đại as head of state. The poll was supervised by his younger brother, Ngô Đình Nhu. Diệm was credited with 98 percent of the votes. In many districts, there were more votes to remove Bảo Đại than there were registered voters (e.g., in Saigon, 133% of the registered population reportedly voted to remove Bảo Đại). His American advisors had recommended a more modest winning margin of "60 to 70 percent". Diệm, however, viewed the election as a test of authority.[11] On 26 October 1955, Diệm declared himself the president of the newly proclaimed Republic of Vietnam"

"The Diệm government lost support among the populace, and from the Kennedy administration, due to its repression of Buddhists and military defeats by the Viet Cong. Notably, the Huế Phật Đản shootings of 8 May 1963 led to the Buddhist crisis, provoking widespread protests and civil resistance. Diệm was overthrown in a coup on 1 November 1963 with the tacit approval of the US"

South Vietnam - Wikipedia