How come that Bulgarians started to speak a Slavic language?

Jul 2017
221
Neverland
Can't help but notice, that the prevailing historical opinion is that Scythian(Saka) natons like Avars,Alans, Bulgars and turkified tribes - Kipchaks(red sakas) and Kumans
are wrongly presented as Turks. There's no historical basis for this modern view. The original scribes present above mentioned as Scythians.

Moreover, the chieftains of the first known turks of the Western Turkic khaganate in a diplomatic mission to Constantinople ask that their Scythian slaves - the Avars be handed back to them. The turkic prince Tourkxanos describes the Avars as the..."the most adept of all Scythian nations".
Here's a link with a quick reference.
Pannonian Avars - Wikipedia

The same parallels with the iranic scythians of Inner Scythia - the Bulgars. Procopius of Caesaria, Agathias,patriarch Nicephorus, Michael the Syrian, the father of Armenian history- Moses Chorenatsi and Anania Sirakazi, Al Balkhi,Ibn Fadlanalbanian missionary father Israel and many others,including their Byzantine contemporaries, clearly point to the Bulgars as scythians. Here is a link below on the mather.Please note that utugs, kutigs and hunno- bulgars(onogurs) are all Bulgar tribes.

Utigurs - Wikipedia

Kutriguri - Wikipedia

During their transition from the proto country of Imeon(Bahlika,the former Bactria) and especially the capital city Balkh after which they are named, the Bulgars or Bulhi, Bahlikas as Indian history knows them. Bulgars are also the "lost" nation of Huns. Byzantines call them scythians, huns or barbarians , but never Turks.

Mount Imeon - Wikipedia

Bahlikas - Wikipedia

Huns, be it red huns-harahuna aka Kidarites, white huns- Hephtalites , all claim lineage from the Kushans aka Yuezhi, hence some of the bulgar tribes are named Kushis ie Kushans,other K'dar bulgars - Kidarites and yet others eftali ie Hephtalites.
Michael the Syrian mentions 3 bulgar brothers- Bulgarios, Kozareg and Drogo that come from Inner Scythia - Balkh and ask Emperor Maurice for a foederati status in the Balkans.

Kidarites - Wikipedia

Hephthalites - Wikipedia

Kushan Empire - Wikipedia

The bulgars begin calling themselves B'lkars and by the time they settle the Black Sea region name changes to..Bulgars

Turks in the meantime are NOT White people to begin with.Today still most turks are Mongolic looking - Turmens,Kyrgizis, Kazakhs, Uyghurs ets

Here are images of original turks - Seljuks- the protogenitors of today turks.

Tughril Bey- first seljuk sultan

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Malik Shah - son of Alp Arslan- the victor of Manzikert 1072

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images of Gokturks

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Kul Tigin - gokturk chieftain

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Todays turks of Turkey and Azeraijan are not too Mongolic looking due to interbreeding and conversion to islam.
 

Kotromanic

Ad Honorem
Dec 2011
4,877
Iowa USA
How does converting to a certain religion change your physical appearance?
Perhaps he meant that the adoption of Islam led to marriage of the medieval Turks with ethnic "Iranic" peoples so that the Eastern appearance was lost in fewer generations than if Iranic spouses had to renounce their own faith.
 

Shtajerc

Ad Honorem
Jul 2014
6,743
Lower Styria, Slovenia
Aren't Bulgarians Slavic?
Bulgarians yes, but their ancestors who gave them the name, the Bulgars, were not. They were a nomadic tribe that came to the Balkans from Asia and ruled over some Slavic tribes. With time the ruling elite assimilated and started speaking Slavic, but their name stuck around.
 
Aug 2019
51
Livingston 62° 38′ 27″ S, 60° 22′ 0.98″ W
What is the reason why the Bulgarian elite started speaking Slavic in your opinion? Why was it necessary for the elite of the Bulgarians to speak Slavic?
 

Shtajerc

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Jul 2014
6,743
Lower Styria, Slovenia
What is the reason why the Bulgarian elite started speaking Slavic in your opinion? Why was it necessary for the elite of the Bulgarians to speak Slavic?
Hard to say what the exact reason was, but it's not an isolated phenomenon. Normans, the Rus, the Franks, Goths and Suebi in Hispania, they all switched to the language of the majority and did so rather quickly. Although I'd say the Slavs assimilated a lot of the preexisting population already before the Bulgars arrived.
 

Maki

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Jan 2017
3,412
Republika Srpska
What is the reason why the Bulgarian elite started speaking Slavic in your opinion? Why was it necessary for the elite of the Bulgarians to speak Slavic?
It is generally considered that the Slavicization of Bulgaria finished under khan Boris. Now, Christianization certainly played a part in Slavicization since Boris invited the so-called Slavonic mission into Bulgaria and they spread Old Church Slavonic throughout the land and made it an official Church language. Boris wanted to make the Bulgarian Church as independent as possible from Constantinople so promoting Old Church Slavonic as a liturgical language instead of Greek was something Boris certainly felt was a good move. Thing is, many Slavs were already living inside the Bulgarian state and they outnumbered the Bulgars so it made sense to further integrate the Slavs into Bulgaria by promoting their language. At the same time, Boris was weakening the old Bulgar elite which rebelled against him and he retaliated by killing many influential boyars and their families. So, khan Boris must have considered the Slavs more loyal than the Bulgars, thus it would make even more sense to Slavicize his realm. By Slavicizing Bulgaria, he was strengthening his position.
 
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Aug 2019
51
Livingston 62° 38′ 27″ S, 60° 22′ 0.98″ W
Hard to say what the exact reason was, but it's not an isolated phenomenon. Normans, the Rus, the Franks, Goths and Suebi in Hispania, they all switched to the language of the majority and did so rather quickly. Although I'd say the Slavs assimilated a lot of the preexisting population already before the Bulgars arrived.
I do not agree very much with the fact that the Slavs were the majority. Yes, but only in the western Balkans. Much of the local population of the Slavic and Bulgarian expansions of the Balkans has already been Romanized and Christianized by the Thracian-Dacian population. The Christian population could hardly be mixed with the pagan then Bulgarian or Slavic. In addition, Bulgarians and Slavs profess different pagan beliefs and until the 9th century before the Christianization of Bulgaria they mixed little.
 

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