How did certain countries become hopeless basket cases?

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,756
Florania
Yes, many parts of Africa has progressed and thrived after the 1990s, but there are still parts of the world that are hopeless basket cases:
Afghanistan: In spite of socioeconomic progresses, stability hasn't returned yet.
Iraq: The almost eternal turmoils and attacks.
Libya: It probably cannot come back together.
Syria: The ongoing civil war!
Somalia: No real nationhood YET.
Democratic Republic of Congo: Ongoing violence and real fragmentations.
Republic of Congo: Superficial prosperity, rotten government
Central African Republic: The acronym does not mean that it produces automobiles; rather, it is one of the least developed and stable part of the world.
Sierra Leone, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Liberia, Gambia: Rotten governments, limited resources and instability all contribute to these miseries.
Haiti: The only least developed country in the Western Hemisphere shows little signs of progresses.
Ethiopia: In spite of being the oldest extent civilization in Africa, it is marred by overpopulation and environmental degradation.
How do they become what they are today? Will they progress?
 

tomar

Ad Honoris
Jan 2011
14,101
Seems we have already discussed this elsewhere...

Problem number 1 is runaway demographics...... population mutiplied by a factor of 5 to 10 (depending on country) in less than a century...

This led to all kinds of problems... Haiti for example has been massively deforested .. It has now less than 4% forest area (compared to 40% in the Dominican republic).. Haiti and the Dominican republic share the same island and have similar population levels (about 10.5 million).... But the dominican republic has about 70% more land area (about 48 000 sq km vs 27 000 sq km in Haiti).... GDP per capita in dominican republic is above $6000 while its less than a $1000 in Haiti

Other than demographics, once again geography and resources are key

Much of this difference is geographic. The mountains that lie across the island can cut off Haiti's rainfall. The northeast trade winds, and so the rain, blow in the Dominican Republic's favor. Haiti's semiarid climate makes cultivation more challenging

Why Haiti and the Dominican Republic Are So Different - TIME
 

VHS

Ad Honorem
Dec 2015
4,756
Florania
Seems we have already discussed this elsewhere...

Problem number 1 is runaway demographics...... population mutiplied by a factor of 5 to 10 (depending on country) in less than a century...

This led to all kinds of problems... Haiti for example has been massively deforested .. It has now less than 4% forest area (compared to 40% in the Dominican republic).. Haiti and the Dominican republic share the same island and have similar population levels (about 10.5 million).... But the dominican republic has about 70% more land area (about 48 000 sq km vs 27 000 sq km in Haiti).... GDP per capita in dominican republic is above $6000 while its less than a $1000 in Haiti

Other than demographics, once again geography and resources are key

Much of this difference is geographic. The mountains that lie across the island can cut off Haiti's rainfall. The northeast trade winds, and so the rain, blow in the Dominican Republic's favor. Haiti's semiarid climate makes cultivation more challenging

Why Haiti and the Dominican Republic Are So Different - TIME
By the way, I forgot Yemen, and it should be on the list.
Before unification, Yemen Arab Republic was slightly better off than People's Republic of Yemen.
Still, both were the poorest in the Middle East.
Unification did not improve the fortune much; political instability and economic stagnation resulted.
Blame the khat is easy, but the issue should be deeper than that.
 

rvsakhadeo

Ad Honorem
Sep 2012
9,224
India
Yes, many parts of Africa has progressed and thrived after the 1990s, but there are still parts of the world that are hopeless basket cases:
Afghanistan: In spite of socioeconomic progresses, stability hasn't returned yet.
Iraq: The almost eternal turmoils and attacks.
Libya: It probably cannot come back together.
Syria: The ongoing civil war!
Somalia: No real nationhood YET.
Democratic Republic of Congo: Ongoing violence and real fragmentations.
Republic of Congo: Superficial prosperity, rotten government
Central African Republic: The acronym does not mean that it produces automobiles; rather, it is one of the least developed and stable part of the world.
Sierra Leone, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Liberia, Gambia: Rotten governments, limited resources and instability all contribute to these miseries.
Haiti: The only least developed country in the Western Hemisphere shows little signs of progresses.
Ethiopia: In spite of being the oldest extent civilization in Africa, it is marred by overpopulation and environmental degradation.
How do they become what they are today? Will they progress?
You have included Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and Haiti in your list though they are not African countries. You have also later included Yemen.
So I suggest that you expand the list world-wide and include other cases too. I suggest that Pakistan and some other south Asian countries like Thailand, Laos and Cambodia be included. Pakistan is facing bomb blasts every now and then with its Baluchistan and FATA areas already rumbling with discontent. It is troubled with corruption scandals with its Prime Minister being named in the Panama Papers. And yet its Army is dreaming of conquering Indian held Kashmir, not to speak of the whole of India.And it is fomenting terrorism in Indian held Kashmir. A ripe case for being called a basket case.
 
Nov 2016
1,531
Indus Valley, Pakistan
You have included Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and Haiti in your list though they are not African countries. You have also later included Yemen.
So I suggest that you expand the list world-wide and include other cases too. I suggest that Pakistan and some other south Asian countries like Thailand, Laos and Cambodia be included. Pakistan is facing bomb blasts every now and then with its Baluchistan and FATA areas already rumbling with discontent. It is troubled with corruption scandals with its Prime Minister being named in the Panama Papers. And yet its Army is dreaming of conquering Indian held Kashmir, not to speak of the whole of India.And it is fomenting terrorism in Indian held Kashmir. A ripe case for being called a basket case.
Mmmmm basket case? Numbers living below $1.90 a day defined as measure of extreme poverty. Source: World Bank.



 

rvsakhadeo

Ad Honorem
Sep 2012
9,224
India
Mmmmm basket case? Numbers living below $1.90 a day defined as measure of extreme poverty. Source: World Bank.



I agree with the chart but let be noted that i ) it pertains to 2011, things have changed vastly since then. ii ) Pakistan has been bailed out by the USA with huge U.S. dollar credits and Arms as well. India purchases its arms and its external debt is being repaid quite fast, thanks to its foreign exchange reserves booming.
 
Apr 2012
1,683
India
India purchases its arms and its external debt is being repaid quite fast, thanks to its foreign exchange reserves booming.
Indies does not have an external debt, except some token. External sovereign debt of India is just 3.8% of GDP and this debt includes long term loans India has taken from WB,ADB, and JICA which have payment period of over fifty years. Callable external debt of government is just 0.7% of Indian GDP. Total external debt of India (Sovereign+Corporate+Personal) is 19.8% of GDP, and total sovereign debt of India (foreign and domestic) is 67%.

India is comfortably placed in debt department and there is zero chance of any default by India on its debt.

Regarding poverty, The map posted is dated ,and even for the time it is indicating,it only shows estimates which are unrelaible and dependent on how much a government lie.

Now WB estimate that poverty level in India (2013) is just 12.4%, down from 21% estimate a year ago (2012). Indian government is contesting that data saying that we have more poor than WB thinks we have.

Why India's poverty rate has fallen to 12.4% - Rediff.com Business
 
Nov 2016
18
Arizona, USA
Name one country that is a basket case that wasn't screwed up by western colonialism or meddling?
The British colonialism would've clearly benefited some of the countries mentioned. The French variants were doomed, well, because they're French.