How did certain countries become hopeless basket cases?

Dec 2015
3,700
USA
#41
There is another aspect of poverty. Extreme poverty forces humans to do jobs that otherwise would be done by either machine or animal. One example is taxi. In very poor parts of the world pulling rickshaw was common to earn a living. The economics of this suggested that human labour was cheaper then draught animal. It also manifestation of income inequality. Pulling rickshaw meant either the conveyance was pulled along by a poor man running on his feet or if he could afford it by pedals.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...TrjaHRAhXlDsAKHR36Bm8QsAQIHA&biw=1056&bih=488

This practice was very common in parts of Asia. However in Pakistan it was banned way back in 1959 as being contrary to human dignity. It was widespread in China also but I believe it is banned there now.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...AAIBAJ&sjid=MPoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2852,691451&hl=en

At present only India and Bangladesh have this as widespread practice. In India alone over 2 million rickshaw puller/bikes are operating.

Pedaling for Bread: Rickshaw Pullers of Delhi Struggle for a Living - Ritimo

@Abishek Perhaps we should not read a book by it's cover or allow our bias prejudge our thoughts?
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=i...TrjaHRAhXlDsAKHR36Bm8QsAQIHA&biw=1056&bih=488


Such a fact in 2017 is unacceptable^. Hindus and Muslims alike of the Indian Subcontinent look at the photo with frustration just as anyone would anywhere in the world. But also, in Muslim Saudi Arabia women can not drive and let me also say, homeless people and beggars(adults begging other adults for cash) roam the streets of NYC, Chicago, Las Vegas and other major cities of the USA.


One can not predict the future, but perhaps we will get to a time in human history when such issues as poverty are eliminated worldwide.
 

mark87

Ad Honorem
Jan 2014
2,057
Santiago de Chile
#42
Most of these countries were never developed, at least not in a western sense as we understand it today. While colonialism was obviously not very helpful, to blame all underdevelopment on western colonialism is blocking out the sun with you're thumb as we say, its not getting at the core issue that is holding these nations back. They have never done things ''right'' (assuming of course there is a right way of doing things), most have only been trying the western approach to government and economics very recently speaking, and have had to try to catch up in decades what took Europe and North America centuries to achieve, industrialization and now a post industrial mature economy heavy on technology, that is not easy. That's not even starting on the issue of corruption on levels hard to believe, multiple failed political and economic policies during the cold war that just dragged countries back, civil wars (growing pains, almost any country recently independent has these, in Latin america this period was the 19th century were nations were experimenting on what type of government and nation they wished to have). All this assuming at the time of independence there were any people at all in a nation that were intellectually and politically savvy to lead the way, I suspect in some cases there were not.
The problem is that people outside of north america and Europe see those societies and think that development is easy, it is not, in all cases where a nation became developed it came with considerable effort (and a heavy dose of education and literacy), and in many cases enormous growing pain, just remember the men, women, and children who toiled in deplorable conditions in mills, factories, and coal mines from the 18th century until the early 20th century. More so if one wishes to do so respecting core human rights in a non totalitarian or autocratic regime that can just boss everyone arround to achieve industrialization.
 
Jun 2015
5,723
UK
#43
western interference.

The Congo was in part a proxy war of the Cold War belligerents.

Colonialism is a factor, but surely not so much now since colonialism ended a long time ago.

Most post-colonial leaders were ****-ups though. Even good ones like Nkrumah, since he sided with the USSR. It was inevitable that the USA/UK would bring him down. Same with Angola and a few others.

So it's partly their fault, as much as Europeans' fault.
 

VHS

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Dec 2015
4,491
Florania
#44
western interference.

The Congo was in part a proxy war of the Cold War belligerents.

Colonialism is a factor, but surely not so much now since colonialism ended a long time ago.

Most post-colonial leaders were ****-ups though. Even good ones like Nkrumah, since he sided with the USSR. It was inevitable that the USA/UK would bring him down. Same with Angola and a few others.

So it's partly their fault, as much as Europeans' fault.
Most of them have been independent for half a century or more.
In both cases of Yemen and Ethiopia, both monarchies failed to modernize and develop the economy; the republican regimes have not done any better than the monarchies, ironically.
Yes, Vietnam and Cambodia are quite underdeveloped, but they are relatively stable and have higher socio-economic indicators than North Africa.
 
Feb 2011
13,599
Perambulating in St James' Park
#47
Most of them have been independent for half a century or more.
In both cases of Yemen and Ethiopia, both monarchies failed to modernize and develop the economy; the republican regimes have not done any better than the monarchies, ironically.
Yes, Vietnam and Cambodia are quite underdeveloped, but they are relatively stable and have higher socio-economic indicators than North Africa.


One might argue that some of these countries might be better off under Western administration. IIRC the Chinese seem to be investing heavily in poorer countries.
 

VHS

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Dec 2015
4,491
Florania
#48
One might argue that some of these countries might be better off under Western administration. IIRC the Chinese seem to be investing heavily in poorer countries.
These poorer countries often have the raw minerals that China needs for its massive population and manufacturing industries.
In spite of substantial oil outputs, China only exported oil briefly.

notgivenaway said:
they got their act together to be fair post their wars and Khmer Rouge. Even Angola is doing better post their war, as is Rwanda post its genocide.
Both Cambodia and Angola employ Herorats to clear their landmines, but Cambodia seems to have more success in restoring its agriculture.
Angola has very substantial untapped agricultural potentials, but it has been focusing on the oil industry; the oil goes mainly to China.
 
Nov 2016
1,531
Indus Valley, Pakistan
#49
One might argue that some of these countries might be better off under Western administration. IIRC the Chinese seem to be investing heavily in poorer countries.
No, with respect I disagree. The West does not have the human assets that could administer these countries effectively. That class of imperial administrators who walked the beat of their districts, learnt the local languages, cataloged the peoples they ruled over in incredible detail, suffered the hardships of living where they were needed are long gone.
 

VHS

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Dec 2015
4,491
Florania
#50
No, with respect I disagree. The West does not have the human assets that could administer these countries effectively. That class of imperial administrators who walked the beat of their districts, learnt the local languages, cataloged the peoples they ruled over in incredible detail, suffered the hardships of living where they were needed are long gone.
Hong Kong was really an exception rather than the norm; most colonies remained impoverished, illiterate, and underdeveloped when they were under colonial rule.