How did Christianity persecute polytheism?

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would muslims be killed by Christians in the medieval Christian countries's land?
I already answered this question, and it depends. The Normans of Sicily killed a number of Muslims when they first conquered it, as it happens in all conquests, from the Emirate that ruled it but then tolerated them to different levels. You can say Christian rule wasn't that tolerant since Islam disappeared from Sicily and no Muslims lived there by the 13th century, but it still took a couple of centuries for a full Christianisation to occur, implying again a limited level of toleration.

In the case of Christian Castillians and Aragonians of the Middle Ages (the ones that would later unify Spain), they also tolerated Muslims to varying degrees in their lands. They even had Muslim soldiers serving in their armies, but other times they would persecute Muslims as well due to uprisings, insurrections or being associated with certain political enemies. However, again, by the Reconquista in 1492, whatever tolerance that existed was eliminated with the Spanish Inquisition that interrogated, tortured, imprisoned and executed thousands of Muslims, and when that process stopped, they still were treated worse than when Castilla and Aragón were their own separate kingdoms, eventually being expelled completely a century later.
 

LatinoEuropa

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Oct 2015
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Muslims were not the target of the Inquisition. Heresy was. A Muslim could fall in the hands of the Inquisition if he would convert to Christianism but continue to practice his former religion.



Again, “Medieval” is a long time period… there were coexistence moments and there were extremist moments. According to the timeline and region. Note that I already answer to this in post 4.

The inverse was already answered to one question made by you, here: http://historum.com/middle-eastern-african-history/127382-did-arabs-use-force-force-any-people-convert-islam-does-persians-ha.html
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The Portucalense kingdom began in 1096 to expel the Muslims until year 1249
That today is Portugal the inquisition was...
 

Tulius

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Well, Muslims and Jews were forced to convert to Catholicism or leave Spain and Portugal. Many agreed to convert, but practiced their religions. These were targeted buy the Inquisition.
Well, answering to John you just said basically the same that he did, albeit you did use the terminology “Cristãos Novos”/“Cristianos Nuevos” that John used. The “New Cristians” were the main target of the “Santo Ofício”.

EDIT:

A History of the Jews, a list of expulsions for 2000 years

The Nazis didn't invent it. They just perfected it; so to speak.

It's xenophobia. It's normal. But most people grow out of it by the time they're three years old.
Persecution did occur, albeit a Jewish religious site is probably not the most neutral.
 
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Lucius

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Persecution did occur, albeit a Jewish religious site is probably not the most neutral.
My guess is that between the official pogroms there was a lot of off-hand, casual murder of Jews that never got recorded on paper.

That number will never be known.
 
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How did Christianity persecute polytheism, after Constantine converted Christianity?
Constantine persecuted non-Christians before his death bed conversion. Non-converts had to pay taxes to create Constantinople. Christians in general treated Pagans the way they claimed Pagans had treated them.

Which century did christians became the religion of most of Europe's main populations?
How they did that?
Late 11th century. Western Europe was Catholic by the 12th century, with Balts and Lithuanians being the main Pagan holdouts. The Catholic church split into the Roman Catholic church and Orthodox Churches in 1054 with Orthodox church dominating everything East of Poland and South of Hungary.

The conversion was done by force or by royal marriages of Kings to Christian wives who schemed to convert their husbands, if successful he usually forcefully converted his people and even if not using force influenced many nobles to convert who did the same thing to other. The Catholic Church created by Constantine as the official church spread mainly by forced conversions or pressured conversions by penalties for non-conversion - worth repeating as Christianity used many of the same methods Islam did and does use. Using the Bible against them "By their fruits you will know them" Christians were not the followers of a good God but of his enemy Satan like the Moslems ;)


How did the medieval Christian countries treat the jews in their territory?
Christianity had three main branches: Apostolic (AKA Jewish Christianity); Constantine's Catholicism and Arianism. Apostolic Christianity continued to exist into the 10th century and was commonplace in Egypt and Syria and likely North Africa and was pretty much wiped out by Islam. Both Apostolic Christianity and Arianism saw Jesus as a man and prophet not as a part of God. The Goths were Arians and they were the rulers of: Spain; Franch and even Italy. They were always tolerant of Jews. When the Catholics retook power they started revived the Anti-Semitism that was always normal to them. Jews were forced into Cities and not allowed to own property out of them and reduced to being: merchants; craftsmen and usurers. They were periodically persecuted and even when not persecuted despised.

How did the medieval Christian countries treat the muslims in their territory?
They killed them if they could catch them. Invaders taking nuns out of convents to raped them and raping any comely woman they caught are rarely given mercy. When not invaders they were pirates and slave raiders so not any better and these sorts are executed if one can catch them not given warm welcomes ;). Venice after the fall of Constantinople was a major exception to this as they allowed a Ottoman (AKA Turkish) colony in their city as were the main entrepot for any goods coming from the Orient and being shipped to Western Europe. Of course Venice practiced Christian slavery and shipped Christians as slaves to the Ottomans being the main violator of the Papal ban on Christian slavery. The Venetians were not much better than Moslems being: pirates; slavers and invaders victimizing anyone they could.

Disclaimers: I'm 1/8 Jewish and member of my family were Crypto-Jews. I'm closer to an Orthodox Jew than any other religion. My own ancestors were pirates for seven centuries plus. I agree that Vikings were not much better than Moslems Jihadists apart from being my blood ;)
 
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Non-converts had to pay taxes to create Constantinople.
Where in the mother of hell do you get this?

Late 11th century. Western Europe was Catholic by the 12th century, with Balts and Lithuanians being the main Pagan holdouts. The Catholic church split into the Roman Catholic church and Orthodox Churches in 1054 with Orthodox church dominating everything East of Poland and South of Hungary.

if successful he usually forcefully converted his people and even if not using force influenced many nobles to convert who did the same thing to other. The Catholic Church created by Constantine as the official church spread mainly by forced conversions or pressured conversions by penalties for non-conversion - worth repeating as Christianity used many of the same methods Islam did and does use. Using the Bible against them "By their fruits you will know them" Christians were not the followers of a good God but of his enemy Satan like the Moslems ;)

Of course, "usually forcefully". What a load of hogwash. It's the opposite: conversion was usually peaceful with only violence breaking out at times. The most violent periods were with Arrian invaders like Alaric, Charlemagne and the Baltic crusaders, but generally, people remained with their local beliefs just with a Christian addition, a syncretism that survives to this very day. And threats of violence? This was pure rhetoric and almost never carried out. Sure Christian authorities threatened people with death for animal and human sacrifice, or public tortures for missing Mass, but they were so rare as to be insignificant, and if carried out, only because the offender did far more than just sacrifice an animal or miss Mass, the latter of which was impossible to follow perfectly, thus showing even more how just how little it was enforced.

Christianity had three main branches: Apostolic (AKA Jewish Christianity); Constantine's Catholicism and Arianism. Apostolic Christianity continued to exist into the 10th century and was commonplace in Egypt and Syria and likely North Africa and was pretty much wiped out by Islam. Both Apostolic Christianity and Arianism saw Jesus as a man and prophet not as a part of God. The Goths were Arians and they were the rulers of: Spain; Franch and even Italy. They were always tolerant of Jews. When the Catholics retook power they started revived the Anti-Semitism that was always normal to them. Jews were forced into Cities and not allowed to own property out of them and reduced to being: merchants; craftsmen and usurers. They were periodically persecuted and even when not persecuted despised.
Your historical ignorance is astounding. Apostolic Christianity and Catholicism were the same thing. They just happened to have branched, into more than two types of Christianity, after multiple councils due to political grievances and disagreements and the chaotic situation in which the Roman Empire had found itself. Nor did these Churches disappear completely. They only disappeared in the Maghreb, where Christianity was very weak due to competition between Arrianism and the different types of Apostolic Christianity, and a very weak grasp by the Roman Empire of this territory. However, Christians survived in Egypt, also in North Africa, and Syria and the rest of the Middle East for that matter, still numbering in the millions to this day.

Nor were Arians any more tolerant of Jews: "Let it be said that we must reject completely the earlier standard explanation of Jewish historians according to which it was the conversion of the originally Arian Visigoths to the Catholic faith which caused this hostility... There is not the slightest evidence to support such theories", from Jews, Visigoths and Muslims in Medieval Spain by Norman Roth, p. 7.


They killed them if they could catch them. Invaders taking nuns out of convents to raped them and raping any comely woman they caught are rarely given mercy. When not invaders they were pirates and slave raiders so not any better and these sorts are executed if one can catch them not given warm welcomes ;). Venice after the fall of Constantinople was a major exception to this as they allowed a Ottoman (AKA Turkish) colony in their city as were the main entrepot for any goods coming from the Orient and being shipped to Western Europe. Of course Venice practiced Christian slavery and shipped Christians as slaves to the Ottomans being the main violator of the Papal ban on Christian slavery. The Venetians were not much better than Moslems being: pirates; slavers and invaders victimizing anyone they could.
Venice was hardly the only exception, nor did Christians always killed Muslims whenever they could catch them. The history of Sicily where it took at least a century to Christianise is an example. So is the history of the Christian Spanish kingdoms that had Muslim mercenaries and sometimes Muslim subjects within their realms. Even under the Spanish Inquisition, it still took a century to expel all Muslims. Also, I just love how you derogatorily mispronounce Muslim as "Moslem". Must feel go to vent off your hatred against those dirty Sand Niggers, right?
 
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Tulius

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My guess is that between the official pogroms there was a lot of off-hand, casual murder of Jews that never got recorded on paper.

That number will never be known.
Same line of thinking can be applied for any other religion, Lucius.

Non-converts had to pay taxes to create Constantinople
Care to elaborate and back up with sources?!

They killed them if they could catch them [...] Venice after the fall of Constantinople was a major exception to this...
I think we can have much more exceptions to the point that make the first sentence a complete lie.
 

David Vagamundo

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Constantine persecuted non-Christians before his death bed conversion. Non-converts had to pay taxes to create Constantinople. Christians in general treated Pagans the way they claimed Pagans had treated them.



Late 11th century. Western Europe was Catholic by the 12th century, with Balts and Lithuanians being the main Pagan holdouts. The Catholic church split into the Roman Catholic church and Orthodox Churches in 1054 with Orthodox church dominating everything East of Poland and South of Hungary.

The conversion was done by force or by royal marriages of Kings to Christian wives who schemed to convert their husbands, if successful he usually forcefully converted his people and even if not using force influenced many nobles to convert who did the same thing to other. The Catholic Church created by Constantine as the official church spread mainly by forced conversions or pressured conversions by penalties for non-conversion - worth repeating as Christianity used many of the same methods Islam did and does use. Using the Bible against them "By their fruits you will know them" Christians were not the followers of a good God but of his enemy Satan like the Moslems ;)




Christianity had three main branches: Apostolic (AKA Jewish Christianity); Constantine's Catholicism and Arianism. Apostolic Christianity continued to exist into the 10th century and was commonplace in Egypt and Syria and likely North Africa and was pretty much wiped out by Islam. Both Apostolic Christianity and Arianism saw Jesus as a man and prophet not as a part of God. The Goths were Arians and they were the rulers of: Spain; Franch and even Italy. They were always tolerant of Jews. When the Catholics retook power they started revived the Anti-Semitism that was always normal to them. Jews were forced into Cities and not allowed to own property out of them and reduced to being: merchants; craftsmen and usurers. They were periodically persecuted and even when not persecuted despised.



They killed them if they could catch them. Invaders taking nuns out of convents to raped them and raping any comely woman they caught are rarely given mercy. When not invaders they were pirates and slave raiders so not any better and these sorts are executed if one can catch them not given warm welcomes ;). Venice after the fall of Constantinople was a major exception to this as they allowed a Ottoman (AKA Turkish) colony in their city as were the main entrepot for any goods coming from the Orient and being shipped to Western Europe. Of course Venice practiced Christian slavery and shipped Christians as slaves to the Ottomans being the main violator of the Papal ban on Christian slavery. The Venetians were not much better than Moslems being: pirates; slavers and invaders victimizing anyone they could.

Disclaimers: I'm 1/8 Jewish and member of my family were Crypto-Jews. I'm closer to an Orthodox Jew than any other religion. My own ancestors were pirates for seven centuries plus. I agree that Vikings were not much better than Moslems Jihadists apart from being my blood ;)
D of S-can you give us sources for any of this info? Thanks
 
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