How did naked Germanic savages defeat the Romans?

Mar 2012
1,193
Magdeburg
#31
Overpopulation of germans (and the fact that roman civil wars and infighting destroying the roman population didnt help either).
Germans as feodoratii(i hope i spelled it correct) actually made them familiar with roman culture. As i interprate it, at least the leaders of germanic tribes adopted roman customs to a degree(thouugh i dont know how much the average german folk was familiar with it).
Also, Huns.
 
Mar 2013
1,022
Breakdancing on the Moon.
#32
Overpopulation of germans (and the fact that roman civil wars and infighting destroying the roman population didnt help either).
Germans as feodoratii(i hope i spelled it correct) actually made them familiar with roman culture. As i interprate it, at least the leaders of germanic tribes adopted roman customs to a degree(thouugh i dont know how much the average german folk was familiar with it).
Also, Huns.
*Foederati

And, yes, that is a common theory. I think Clifford Ando may have the best popular expounding of it (you can youtube his talk at the oriental institute). Basically, Germanics became incredibly romanised within the empire and wanted a piece of the empire's prosperity for themselves. This is centuries later, however.
 
Aug 2019
26
Netherlands
#34
In all fairness, a few things happened between the crossing of the Rhine in 406 and the invention of the Porsche Boxster.....
Yes, but the intolerance of imperfection is what stands out. There is no coincidence that Scandinavia and the netherlands have similar values including planning and stuff. These cultural values must have been already embedded in their roots since how long. Those wheels are a further development from the pre germanic period, yamnaya.
 

Scaeva

Ad Honorem
Oct 2012
5,630
#35
Yes, but the intolerance of imperfection is what stands out. There is no coincidence that Scandinavia and the netherlands have similar values including planning and stuff. These cultural values must have been already embedded in their roots since how long. Those wheels are a further development from the pre germanic period, yamnaya.
While the Germanic tribes of Iron Age Europe may not have been "naked savages," they were however part of a less advanced civilization than their Greek or Roman contemporaries. Considering the Romans of that era were far superior engineers, and Germania lacked anything resembling a city that wasn't built by the same, I don't think your claim of a cultural affinity for quality engineering that spans millennia stands up to scrutiny.
 
Sep 2017
738
United States
#36
In all fairness, a few things happened between the crossing of the Rhine in 406 and the invention of the Porsche Boxster.....
Nonsense.

The reason Germanic cavalry was so effective is because they ran at 375 horsepower! The whole reason the Romans adopted leather seats in the first place was the Germanics.
 
Mar 2012
1,193
Magdeburg
#37
Nonsense.

The reason Germanic cavalry was so effective is because they ran at 375 horsepower! The whole reason the Romans adopted leather seats in the first place was the Germanics.
Well, Romans are known to be not really using cavalry (at least their own). Caesar used germans as cavalrt auxiliary , numidians earlier(and still during late repiblican era). Now, i can't recall when and in what frequency they used Celtic cavalry though.
Also, saying Germanics having comparable civilization to mediterranean world of the time is a big middle finger to greco-roman-persian world. I dont think being a nice craftsmen is equel to having a high civilization in antiquity terms.
Romans adopted many things from barbarians, such as weaponry, and the very infamous triplex acies from another Italic tribe .
 

Chlodio

Forum Staff
Aug 2016
4,312
Dispargum
#39
Most Roman cavalry was foreign or at least non-Italian. Italy was not a good breeding ground for horses, and Italy did not produce the best stock. Cavalry also works best on flat terrain, and Italy is mountainous. (I'm still trying to understand how Hannibal's cavalry could do so well there.) At any rate, Romans and other Italians did not invest much effort in developing good cavalry. The Romans found it easier to recruit cavalry in other parts of the Empire, including Gaul.
 
Aug 2019
26
Netherlands
#40
The gauls had a long and more wide spread horse tradition than the germans and had quite a reputation in the meditteranean This can be related all the way back to the indo europeans. Germans in general were more infantry oriented but some tribes had great cavalry too, and eere more disciplined. At some occasions the german cavalry was even better, like batavians who were specialised in crossing deep.wide rivers with their horses including the gear, which was something only they could do. The britons were horse oriented too but used also a lot of chariots.
 

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