How do you get a lot of Russians to settle in the southern parts of the Russian Empire?

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Presuming Russia holds said regions, a possible premise to why Russians would move south could be to exploit resources. Generally people move to already populated regions if there is a need for them. Say massive amounts of valuable resources are discovered in the south and skilled Russians are needed to take advantage of them.
California attracted so many people because of the gold rush and good farmland combined with sparse native population. Southern Russia was already populated and didn't have abundant resources (three was some but not great amounts in relation to the existing population).
 
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Presuming Russia holds said regions, a possible premise to why Russians would move south could be to exploit resources. Generally people move to already populated regions if there is a need for them. Say massive amounts of valuable resources are discovered in the south and skilled Russians are needed to take advantage of them.
Yeah, that makes sense. After all, this is why a relatively significant number of people have moved to North Dakota in recent years, no?

California attracted so many people because of the gold rush and good farmland combined with sparse native population. Southern Russia was already populated and didn't have abundant resources (three was some but not great amounts in relation to the existing population).
Yeah, that makes sense. That said, though, does Florida and the rest of the Southwestern US (excluding eastern Texas) actually have good farmland?

Also, what about having elderly Russians move south for their retirement?
 
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Yeah, that makes sense. After all, this is why a relatively significant number of people have moved to North Dakota in recent years, no?



Yeah, that makes sense. That said, though, does Florida and the rest of the Southwestern US (excluding eastern Texas) actually have good farmland?

Also, what about having elderly Russians move south for their retirement?
Florida was initially decent plantations but was slow growing. Its population didn't take off till post ww2, with the rise of air conditioning, vacationing and retirement destination. For Russia to follow a similar example the land would have to be sparsely populated and cheap (depending on the region, sort of fits).
 
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Florida was initially decent plantations but was slow growing. Its population didn't take off till post ww2, with the rise of air conditioning, vacationing and retirement destination. For Russia to follow a similar example the land would have to be sparsely populated and cheap (depending on the region, sort of fits).
Florida's post-WWII population growth was certainly extremely explosive. Florida went from something like 500,000 people in 1900 to over 20 million people today--and still rapidly growing!

As for Russia, a lot of the Russian (or formerly Russian) territory south of Rostov actually is sparsely populated even nowadays--as are large parts of Central Asia:

Mapping Population Density Across the Globe

I don't know what the cost of land there is, but I'm presuming that it would be relatively cheap.
 
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Florida's post-WWII population growth was certainly extremely explosive. Florida went from something like 500,000 people in 1900 to over 20 million people today--and still rapidly growing!

As for Russia, a lot of the Russian (or formerly Russian) territory south of Rostov actually is sparsely populated even nowadays--as are large parts of Central Asia:

Mapping Population Density Across the Globe

I don't know what the cost of land there is, but I'm presuming that it would be relatively cheap.
Central asia (especially Kazakhstan) is mostly empty plains, similar in some ways to Texas and the Midwest. Attempts at improving farming have led to the destruction of the Aral sea.
 
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Central asia (especially Kazakhstan) is mostly empty plains, similar in some ways to Texas and the Midwest. Attempts at improving farming have led to the destruction of the Aral sea.
Were there any ways to improve farming there without destroying the Aral Sea?

Also, are eastern Texas and the eastern Midwest different? Both of them have a lot more people than their western parts.
 
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Were there any ways to improve farming there without destroying the Aral Sea?

Also, are eastern Texas and the eastern Midwest different? Both of them have a lot more people than their western parts.
Yes, if they had properly constructed canals (much of the water was lost this way), practiced proper crop rotation, didn't pollute the sea and used other proper farming methods. As well as diverting the Ob river as they originally planned to stabilize the Aral sea water levels. And of course cut back on the massive corruption.
The eastern parts generally have more water, so more people.
 
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Yes, if they had properly constructed canals (much of the water was lost this way), practiced proper crop rotation, didn't pollute the sea and used other proper farming methods. As well as diverting the Ob river as they originally planned to stabilize the Aral sea water levels. And of course cut back on the massive corruption.
The eastern parts generally have more water, so more people.
Most of these issues could have been fixed had Russia been capitalist rather than Communist, no?
 
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Most of these issues could have been fixed had Russia been capitalist rather than Communist, no?
Corruption/incompetence has no preference of economic systems but is often rampant in authoritarian governments. One of the problems with 5 year plans, they only look five years into the future.
 
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Corruption/incompetence has no preference of economic systems but is often rampant in authoritarian governments. One of the problems with 5 year plans, they only look five years into the future.
Unfortunately, corruption appears to be widespread in much of the world:

Corruption Perceptions Index - Wikipedia



It's almost as if certain countries or groups of people evolved in such a way as to make them less inclined to engage in corruption.