How European was Ancient Greece and how African was Ancient Egypt?

Nov 2016
13
Celestial Palace
#1
I know this sounds dumb Greece is in Europe and Egypt is in Africa, sure. But culturally speaking were ancient Greece and Egypt part of a Mediterranean culture or more closely related to the rest of Europe and Africa? I'm not concerned about race, I'm only talking about cullture.
 

Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
4,720
Portugal
#3
I know this sounds dumb Greece is in Europe and Egypt is in Africa, sure. But culturally speaking were ancient Greece and Egypt part of a Mediterranean culture or more closely related to the rest of Europe and Africa? I'm not concerned about race, I'm only talking about cullture.
These themes had lead here to long and endless debates stained by agendas and racial and racist thesis.

If you want a strait forward opinion by a non-specialist:

Egypt is in Africa, bathed by the Mediterranean;
Sumeria is in Asia, not bathed by the Mediterranean, but close enough.
Greece is in Europe, bathed by the Mediterranean;

All these Civilizations are indigenous (i.e. developed locally) with foreign contacts and influences. The Mediterranean was less a Geographic obstacle and more a highway to Social and Civilizational exchanges.

Let us not make a mess when the tings can be simple.
 
Aug 2016
925
Ireland, Dublin
#4
These themes had lead here to long and endless debates stained by agendas and racial and racist thesis.

If you want a strait forward opinion by a non-specialist:

Egypt is in Africa, bathed by the Mediterranean;
Sumeria is in Asia, not bathed by the Mediterranean, but close enough.
Greece is in Europe, bathed by the Mediterranean;

All these Civilizations are indigenous (i.e. developed locally) with foreign contacts and influences. The Mediterranean was less a Geographic obstacle and more a highway to Social and Civilizational exchanges.

Let us not make a mess when the tings can be simple.


I JUST CANT HOLD IT....IN, SUCH A BEAUTIFUL ANSWER.
 

AlpinLuke

Ad Honoris
Oct 2011
24,953
Lago Maggiore, Italy
#6
I know this sounds dumb Greece is in Europe and Egypt is in Africa, sure. But culturally speaking were ancient Greece and Egypt part of a Mediterranean culture or more closely related to the rest of Europe and Africa? I'm not concerned about race, I'm only talking about cullture.
Curious question ...

In Greek age they had a not so defined idea of "Europe". It was the lands North of Mediterranean Sea. Hekatâios Milésios had an even more odd conception of Europe. In VI - V century BCE he put Greece in Europe without doubt, for the rest doubts are licit ...

 
Oct 2016
226
Greece
#7
Greek civilization is indigenous to Europe and also influenced the Sumerian civilization.

Ancient Minoans Were Indigenous Europeans, Dna Finds

"The authors therefore conclude that the Minoan civilisation was a local development, originated by inhabitants who probably reached the island around 9,000 years ago, in Neolithic times."
DNA reveals origin of Greece's ancient Minoan culture - BBC News

The question should rather be how Greek is Europe, and what impact had the Egyptian civilization on Africa and vice versa.

Obviously Europe is very Greek, even the name Europe is Greek.
 

Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
4,720
Portugal
#8
Surely that wasn't in reference to me? LOL!
To be honest, when I wrote those words you were quite far, far way, from my mind. I think this is a phenomenon that predates your arrival to the Forum. It is almost from another Era. But if it suits you…

Sum of one, you should know that genetic talks are over the line of the forum rules. Many times the threads get locked.
 
Mar 2017
3,238
United States
#9
To be honest, when I wrote those words you were quite far, far way, from my mind. I think this is a phenomenon that predates your arrival to the Forum. It is almost from another Era. But if it suits you…



Sum of one, you should know that genetic talks are over the line of the forum rules. Many times the threads get locked.
No, in fact it doesn't suit me. I do believe that race is a valid biological classification worthy of scientific inquiry. However, I do not hold to any insidious notions of racial superiority or inferiority. Such concepts are, in any case, relative. I hope this clarifies matters. I do not wish to discuss race, as it violates the rules of this forum. I simply bring this up so others do not get the wrong impression of me from reading some of my posts. Now let's end this discussion once and for all, and return to more pertinent matters.

Thank you.
 
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Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
4,720
Portugal
#10
No, in fact it doesn't suit me.
Lord, I just mentioned because you seemed to take it as directed to you, while it wasn’t.

I do believe that race is a valid biological classification worthy of scientific inquiry. However, I do not hold to any insidious notions of racial superiority or inferiority. Such concepts are, in any case, relative. I hope this clarifies matters. I do not wish to discuss race, as it violates the rules of this forum.
I completely agree with you.