How far does pre- archeological history go back?

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Archaeology as a discipline is said to have arose during the mid 19th century & prior to that was only limited to antiquarians. But archaeology did open humanity’s awareness to a scale never known before, including to natural history & even the origins of history itself, including civilization, writing & agriculture, as well as many tactical details surrounding written history. Humanity’s concept of natural history, even including that of the origins of civilization, writing & agriculture, is only some two centuries old, extremely recent historically speaking, & prior to that most people & cultures seemed to largely adhere to creationism beliefs of various kinds, as well as divine judgement, salvation & afterlives, which modern science although professionally maintaining agnostic status, has very sadly been gradually disproving over the past century it seems, which doesn’t very look good for us as people & individuals at all does it?

Modern science has strong evidence suggesting that our consciousness & reality itself is entirely neurologically & biologicaly based, life & all its requirements is unique & limited to earth, the earth has a fragility our ancestors would have never imagined, humanity, the earth & life has a natural origin & will have a natural end. Indeed modern science presupposes that the cosmos is entirely based on physical natural processes, has no concern for us whatsoever, & that our precious lives & consciousnesses has no real purpose nor salvation & is only temporary. Modern science seems to reveal a cold cruel cosmos. I certainly wish it weren’t so & hope there’s more promise to that, which I suppose is s the job of scientists & philosophers, but the number of atheists intent with this fact is increasing alarmingly.

So what I’m wondering is how far does pre- archaeological history, which would probably be entirely based on written as well as oral records, go back? Doesn’t it gradually fade into obscurity for each region of the world?
 
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MG1962a

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Archaeology as a discipline is said to have arose during the mid 19th century & prior to that was only limited to antiquarians. But archaeology did open humanity’s awareness to a scale never known before, including to natural history & even the origins of history itself, including civilization, writing & agriculture, as well as many tactical details surrounding written history. Humanity’s concept of natural history, even including that of the origins of civilization, writing & agriculture, is only some two centuries old, extremely recent historically speaking, & prior to that most people & cultures seemed to largely adhere to creationism beliefs of various kinds, as well as divine judgement, salvation & afterlives, which modern science although professionally maintaining agnostic status, has very sadly been gradually disproving over the past century it seems, with strong evidence suggesting that our consciousness & reality itself is entirely neurologically & biologicaly based, the world & life has a natural origin & will have a natural end, which doesn’t very look good for us as people & individuals at all does it? Indeed modern science presupposes that the universe doesn’t care about us & that our precious lives & consciousnesses has no real purpose nor salvation & is only temporary. Modern science seems to reveal a cold cruel cosmos. I certainly wish it weren’t so & hope there’s more promising to that.

So what I’m wondering is how far does pre- archaeological history, which would probably be entirely based on written as well as oral records, go back? Doesn’t it gradually fade into obscurity for each region of the world?
In Australia. The number is 20,000 years. With some unconfirmed examples that may double that number
 
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In Australia. The number is 20,000 years. With some unconfirmed examples that may double that number
Pre-archeological certainly doesn’t mean pre-historical!
Prehistory is almost completely built from archeology.
By pre-archaeological I mean pre-19th century, before when archaeology arose as a discipline along with many other sciences.

& human remains in Australia date back to about 50,000 years.

The earliest remains for our species is about 300,000 years old, for the human form itself about 2 million years, both in Africa, still the home to humanity’s closest relatives, the African Apes.

All very contrary to beliefs about the origin of humanity before archeology isn’t it?
 
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MG1962a

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^ pre-archeological certainly doesn’t mean pre-historical!
Prehistory is almost completely built from archeology.
By pre-archaeological I mean pre-19th century, when archaeology arose as a discipline along with many other sciences.

& human remains in Australia date back to about 50,000 years.

The earliest remains for our species is about 300,000 years old, for humankind itself about 2 million years.
Australian Aboriginals have an oral tradition known as 'The Dreaming' or "Dream time" Most of the stories are morality tales, and the passing of tribal customs from one generation to the next. Modern anthropological studies have found that some of this 'Dreaming' is woven around identifiable geological events in Australia's history. The two confirmed stories date to the last ice age in Australia which was 20,000 years ago

There is dreaming that may be tied to a the end of a mega drought that ended somewhere around 40-45,000

And finally there is dreaming about the Wolfe Creek meteor strike. Geologists are a bit undecided on this event with date ranges from 50,000 to 300,000 years. If closer to 50k years, then their is possibility this is the oldest identified dreaming. If closer to 300k, then something has saddly contaminated the oral tradition
 
Oct 2017
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America ??
Australian Aboriginals have an oral tradition known as 'The Dreaming' or "Dream time" Most of the stories are morality tales, and the passing of tribal customs from one generation to the next. Modern anthropological studies have found that some of this 'Dreaming' is woven around identifiable geological events in Australia's history. The two confirmed stories date to the last ice age in Australia which was 20,000 years ago

There is dreaming that may be tied to a the end of a mega drought that ended somewhere around 40-45,000

And finally there is dreaming about the Wolfe Creek meteor strike. Geologists are a bit undecided on this event with date ranges from 50,000 to 300,000 years. If closer to 50k years, then their is possibility this is the oldest identified dreaming. If closer to 300k, then something has saddly contaminated the oral tradition
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing that, but it’s not actually relevant to the thread topic. Everyone knows Australia never had recorded history before European arrival because agriculture, civilization & writing never developed on the continent like elsewhere. Yes I mean recorded history outside of archeological discoveries, meaning information recorded with the intention of future readers.