How much of the Spanish republics in the Spanish Civil War were Communists?

#41
Thank you Mr Martin.But you disagree with Martinez Bande.You say that the franquists had just lost Teruel,but in his enormous works, he brings interesting details about this question:
-towns lost in 1936:Alcala de Henares,Guadalajara,Cuenca,Siguenza.North of Catalunya.
-towns lost in 1937:Belchite (frente de Aragon).Brunete was recuperated.
-towns lost in 1938:Teruel.80 villages on the left side of the Ebro.
 
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#42
Thank you Mr Martin.But you disagree with Martinez Bande.You say that the franquists had just lost Teruel,but in his enormous works, he brings interesting details about this question:
-towns lost in 1936:Alcala de Henares,Guadalajara,Cuenca,Siguenza.North of Catalunya.
-towns lost in 1937:Belchite (frente de Aragon).Brunete was recuperated.
-towns lost in 1938:Teruel.80 villages on the left side of the Ebro.
I said the only city lost was Teruel... and yes, it was the only capital of a province to be lost by nationals between 1936-1939... they never lost other city... Republicans, however, lost 100% capital of provinces in their zone.
 
#43
Yes, but the winners were not "nacionals":Sevilla,Cordoba,Granada were occupied by the Maroccos troops,transported by the Luftwaffe of Hitler.Malaga and Alicante by the italian soldiers of Mussolini,who participated largely to the occupation of the Basque country,Aragon and Catalunya.The only attack,spanish at 100 % was the desastrous ofensive against Valencia,defended by the general Menendez without the help of the international brigades.
 
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#44
Yes, but the winners were not "nacionals":Sevilla,Cordoba,Granada were occupied by the Maroccos troops,transported by the Luftwaffe of Hitler.Malaga and Alicante by the italian soldiers of Mussolini,who participated largely to the occupation of the Basque country,Aragon and Catalunya.The only attack,spanish at 100 % was the desastrous ofensive against Valencia,defended by the general Menendez without the help of the international brigades.
The Army of Africa was a Spanish Army as the French Foreign Legion was a French Army unit. By other side.. all the forces in each battle mostly were Spanish troops.. from Málaga (where the high command was Queipo de Llano) offensive till the battle of Ebro and the campaign of Catalonia. The Basque provinces were 3: 1 was with the Nationals from the first day: Álava. Guipúzcoa was taken in the summer (between July-September 1936) mostly by the Charlist (Royalist) but also by the Falange. In fact, only one basque province were in Republican hands from october 1936: Biscay.
 
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#46
Dear dupuydumazeldan,

My favourite thesis came from Stanley Payne, Bolloten, De la Cierva and Hugh Thomas.
General aspect: Salas Larrazábal.
From military the best sources are the giant works written by Martínez Bande
And primary sources: archives and memories written by people took part in the war.
About terror maybe the books written by Casa de la Vega.

Statistics from archives and Salas Larrazabal.
Ricardo de la Cierva, a Franco state propagandist rather than an historian.

"The truth is that hsitorical productuon played an important role in legitizing the regime throughout this entire operiod, espcially what we might call "offical history", which inlucdes both the history prodruced by the rregime's institiomns (for instance , "the Department for Studies On the War of Spain" within the Ministry of Information and Tourism, which was headed by Ricardo de la Cierva) as well as that hsitory generated by hustorians who openingly defending Francoism."

page 67,.

Memory and Amnesia: The Role of the Spanish Civil War in the Transition to ...
By Paloma Aguilar, Paloma Aguilar Fernández
 
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#47
Ricardo de la Cierva, a Franco state propagandist rather than an historian.

"The truth is that hsitorical productuon played an important role in legitizing the regime throughout this entire operiod, espcially what we might call "offical history", which inlucdes both the history prodruced by the rregime's institiomns (for instance , "the Department for Studies On the War of Spain" within the Ministry of Information and Tourism, which was headed by Ricardo de la Cierva) as well as that hsitory generated by hustorians who openingly defending Francoism."

page 67,.

Memory and Amnesia: The Role of the Spanish Civil War in the Transition to ...
By Paloma Aguilar, Paloma Aguilar Fernández
Ricardo de la Cierva is a historian man and pro-francoist as PRESTON is socialist and Pro-Frente Popula... but with a great difference... De la Cierva uses the historical method and always, always and always writes the sources and the reports... Preston never. By other side De la Cierva was a man who knew a lot about Civil War.... as it was written by Aguilera: Al margen de su ideología, que evidentemente no comparto, era una eminencia en el estudio de la Guerra Civil (Regardless of his ideology, which I obviously do not share, was an eminence in the study of the Civil War ).

Since when to be a historian is it necessary to be a RED like Preston? Since when a "francoist" can´t know about History? Since you say.... De la Cierva.. whose father and uncle were KILLED by the REDS (yes, yes, the same REDS you and Preston say were "liberal and democratic and never murdered"... when De La Cierva was 10 y old.
He won by opossition his scholar job in University... and about Civil War he was a eminence.. whilst Preston propaganda (he said he doesn´t want to be objective) is based on nothing.... De La Cierva is based always in reports.
 
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#48
Do you consider that the air force which bombed Guernika was Hitlero-spanish o Franco-nazi ?
Guernica (Gernika is a BATUA WORD invented in 1968 and didn´t exist in 1936) was bombed by National Air Force...exactly by Legion Condor´s bombers and Italian airplanes belonged to the Aviación Legionaria (Aviazione Legionaria). No Spanish planes in the attack although the Italian and german planes were National Air Force. Guernica attack was not ordered by Franco or by any other general.

In the Servicio Histórico Militar (Military Historical Service) in Madrid (one archive with the reports from the Wars Spain took part), if you prefer the Spanish Military archives, you can find a very importan document (AGL, CGG, leg 368, folder 43). The attack was done by German and Italian air forces upon request of the Army (in this case the Navarre Brigades). It was a tactic bomber upon Navarren brigades request.

The document signed at the General Headquarters of the Generalissimo in Burgos, May 7th, 1937 said:

Ruego Sander comunique Berlín que Guernica, villa de menos de 5.000 almas, estaba a 6 km línea de combate, es cruce importantísimo comunicaciones. Tiene fábrica de municiones, bombas y pistolas; el día 26 era lugar paso unidades huida y estacionamiento reservas. Unidades primera línea pidieron directamente a aviación bombardeo cruce carreteras, ejecutándolo aviación alemana e italiana, alcanzando por falta de visibilidad por humos y nube polvo bombas aviones villa.

(I would ask Sanders to communicate Berlin Guernica, a town with less than 5.000 inhabitants, was 6 kms behind the front, very important road crossing. It has ammunition, bombs and pistols factories; On day 26th, it was the place where the retreating units passed and the Reserves were located. First line units directly asked for Air support to bomb the road crossing. It was done by German and Italian air forces, hit bombs the town by lack of visibility because smoke and dust cloud).

The German report that we have in the same Servicio Histórico Militar said:

Al general Kindelán, Jefatura del Aire Salamanca. Flugzeugbestand der Legión Cóndor.

Parte de Operaciones de la Legión Cóndor correspondiente al 26-04-1937

Abendmeldung vom 26-4-37.

Weisse Truppen im Vorgehen auf Marquina. Monte Oíz, von Weissen besetzt, in Durango von Sueden. Osten und Norden weisse Truppen einziehend. Samtliche fliegende Merlaende der Legión Cóndor im mehrmaligen Einsartz. Angriff auf zurueckgerhenden Gergner auf Strassen Doeralich Monte Oíz und auf Bruecke und Strassen ostwaerts Guernika

To General Kindelan, Air Headquarters. Part of Legión Condor´s planes

Part of Operations of the Condor Legion corresponding to 04-26-1937

News from 04-26-37

White forces in action in Marquina, Oíz Mountain. Durango taken by White Forces came from South. White troops retreating from Easte and North. Every flight in Legion Condor used in multiple missions. Attack on enemy retreat on Oíz Mountain and Bridge and streets from East Guernica.

Regards
 
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#49
Ricardo de la Cierva is a historian man and pro-francoist as PRESTON is socialist and Pro-Frente Popula... but with a great difference... De la Cierva uses the historical method and always, always and always writes the sources and the reports... Preston never. By other side De la Cierva was a man who knew a lot about Civil War.... as it was written by Aguilera: Al margen de su ideología, que evidentemente no comparto, era una eminencia en el estudio de la Guerra Civil (Regardless of his ideology, which I obviously do not share, was an eminence in the study of the Civil War ).

Since when to be a historian is it necessary to be a RED like Preston? Since when a "francoist" can´t know about History? Since you say.... De la Cierva.. whose father and uncle were KILLED by the REDS (yes, yes, the same REDS you and Preston say were "liberal and democratic and never murdered"... when De La Cierva was 10 y old.
He won by opossition his scholar job in University... and about Civil War he was a eminence.. whilst Preston propaganda (he said he doesn´t want to be objective) is based on nothing.... De La Cierva is based always in reports.
One is an actual historian the other a oaid propagandist working for the ministry of information to produce a slanted version of history.

Are you truly incapable of seeing the difference.
 
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#50
One is an actual historian the other a oaid propagandist working for the ministry of information to produce a slanted version of history.

Are you truly incapable of seeing the difference.
No way... De la Cierva is a historian based on reports, facts... the other is a member of the System of Agitprot (invented by Preston´s beloved Lenin).. Agitprot (Agitation + Propaganda)... Preston is only the PSOE voice.... never based on any fact.