How the Nazis Won World War 2 - Alternate History

Jan 2018
This thread is dedicated to a story I've been writing for the past year and a half. Its about a pair of men who travel to another reality where World War 2 is still being fought. They meet with Adolf Hitler and use their future knowledge to change the course of the war. I previously opened a thread to discuss some of these elements of my story. Now, I am going to begin actually posting chapters from my story.

Please keep in mind, this is a controversial subject that might make some people uncomfortable. Needless to say, though, that kindof comes with the territory! I am interested in whatever feedback my audience can offer. Most of you guys already have a strong grasp of WW2 history, so this story should be right up your alley. BTW, if I made a mistake somewhere or didn't elaborate on something, please let me know!

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Jan 2018

On May 27th, 2021, the many worlds hypothesis was proven true in a most spectacular fashion. The Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) had built a device that could tunnel into another Universe. This was an shocking discovery for the scientists involved, as the machine (called the Chicago device) had only been built to generate gravitational disturbances. With trial and error, they eventually learned how to send objects back and forth through these vortexs. This enabled them to discover over one hundred alternate Universes, each with their own version of Earth. All of these worlds were identical to our own, but temporally displaced. For some inexplicable reason, the Chicago device could only create vortexs within the gravity well of an 'alternate Earth.' The implications of this discovery were inconceivable... The scientists were so alarmed at the potential abuse of its power that they kept it a secret. The machines existence was not revealed to the world at large.

On October 30, 2022, two members of the team mysteriously vanished. No one knew how or why, and the incident was covered up by the scientists. In the midst of an economic recession, when MIT considered shutting down the laboratory, they began using the machine in unethical ways to play the stock market and reap huge windfalls of cash. Emboldened by their success, the researchers gradually began using the Chicago device less for science and more for personal gain. They even began fighting an information war against the government, in an attempt to expose their covert plots. This state of affairs continued for years, but things slowly began to unravel. In the autumn of 2025, one of the lab directors was suspected of insider trading in the stock market, and was investigated by the Securitys and Exchange Commission (SEC). This eventually led to the entire MIT laboratory being seized in July 10, 2026, and all of the researchers being arrested and prosecuted.

Soon after, the government took over the project and assigned a new team of scientists to use the Chicago device. Using the known catalogue of alternate Earths, they begin systematically exploring each. To their shock, they find that one of them has undergone a divergence. System 40, as it was called, had been in the midst of the Second World War. Due to some malign influence, Nazi Germany emerged as the victor, conquering the Soviet Union and defeating the Allys. The scientists quickly determine the source of this divergence... Four years earlier, on October 30, 2022, two researchers used the Chicago device to journey to this alternate Earth and corrupt the timeline. It turned out that both these men were German emigres with extreme right wing beliefs. They were deeply upset at the political events taking place in their country. During the refugee crisis that swept Europe in 2015, leftist governments opened the borders to millions of Muslim immigrants. More arrived every year in an unending stream.

Increasingly angry with Germanys ethnic transformation, they eventually left for the United States. Lukas Wilhelm and Theodor Luether later gained employment at the MIT laboratory, where they kept their political views a secret. After learning about the existence of System 40, the men found themselves with an awful temptation. They fantasized about traveling to this alternate Earth and to using their knowledge to stamp out what they called 'suicidal leftism.' Nothing came of these discussions, initially. But after Europe continued on its path of increasing instability and violence, Lukas and Theodore lost their last shred of restraint. They spent months gathering information and crafting a strategy that would help Germany to win WW2. And then, one fateful night, they burned their bridges and made the transition to another world. An older world based on intolerance, hatred, and suffering.

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Jan 2018
Chapter 1, Part 1

April 23, 1941
Monichkirchen, Austria

In the middle of a sparse forest, two men suddenly appeared. They fell from a rippling vortex, landing softly in the dirt. Both were dressed in two piece suits, carrying a large bag of luggage. One was tall with blond hair, while the other was shorter with brown hair. Rising to their feet, they looked back at the vortex, which slowly dissipated to nothing. And there they were. Alone. Trapped in an era that was alien to them. With nothing but their own belongings to link them to their pasts.

The machine they had used to make their journey was now forever beyond their reach. They had no way to get back, not that they truly wanted to. Lukas and Theodor were elated to have escaped from their society. They had been dangerous outcasts back home, men who rejected the very notion of egalitarianism. Their minds raced as they stood in the empty forest, scarcely believing their success.

'Well, we made it. Do you have any regrets?' The taller one, Lukas, asked his companion.

'What, you mean besides being stuck in the 1940s?' He answered, sardonically.

'Come on, its not like we're in the stone age. The technology might suck, but at least theres no Liberal dipshits to deal with.'

'And no Muslims, either. Thats always a plus.' They both shared a laugh at this.

'Well, lets get going. I don't want to sit around and think about what we're about to do. I'm already scared shitless about having to meet with him.'

A cold shiver passed through both men at this remark. Moving stiffly, they picked up their luggage bags and moved deeper into the forest. Searching around, they came upon a large oak tree which stood out from all the others.

'I think this will do.' Lukas said.

They both dropped their packs, pulled out a pair of entrenching tools, and began digging a shallow pit. After several minutes, they threw their belongings into the hole and buried them under a mound of dirt.

'I'll leave a marker behind, just in case.' Theodor picked up a stick and jammed it into the ground, leaving it vertical.

The men then walked back to their original destination. They observed a set of train tracks not far away, bordered on both sides by trees. Knowing where it would lead, Lukas and Theodor moved over to them and began walking through the forest. The noise of their footsteps was amplified by the gravel beneath the metal tracks. It was a quiet morning, and the sounds of nature filled their ears.

The gentle sway of the wind. The singing of birds. The trickling of a water stream. It was so similar to the world they had left behind. And that was what made it all the more eerie... Lukas and Theodor were walking through an alien world that just happened to resemble their own planets past. One of the many duplicate Earths that had been discovered by the Chicago device. The men began to realise the enormity of what they were about to do.

They were going to change history on this world. They were going to hand victory to Nazi Germany and enable them to subjugate all of Europe, with all the horror that implied. They would do it because allowing history to take its natural course (with an Allied victory) would result in even worse consequences. Lukas and Theodor knew that for all their evil, the Nazis were the last hope for Europe.

Walking along the metal track, they noticed the trees began to thin out. There was a clearing up ahead. As the railway swung a left, their destination finally appeared. Far ahead of them was a cluster of half timbered houses. There was also a tunnel built into a hillside, with an armored train parked inside. The travelers could see men moving inside that train.

Knowing who was onboard, they quickened their pace. The time was now. As they drew near the tunnel, a pair of guards took notice and moved to intercept them. In their civilian clothes, Lukas and Theodor stood out like a sore thumb. One of the guards called out in German, asking them to halt.

This was the part of the plan that both men feared. It required a different set of skills than what they had used to escape from own homeworld. They would need to gain the trust of the 'downtimers' and convince them that co-operation was in their best interests. There was no guarantee of success, and every possibility that they would fail.

'Are you lost?' The younger guard challenged.

'No, we're exactly where we need to be. We've come to deliver a message.'

'Who is it for?' The man asked.

'It is for General Franz Halder. Would he happen to be onboard that train?'

The question was met with a frown. 'He might. But what business do you have being here?'

'Its a matter of national security. We need to speak with him personally.'

At this point, the other traveler cut in hurriedly. 'Tell him its about operation Barbarossa.'

Both guards looked at each other. They never heard of any such a thing.

The younger man told them to wait, then walked into the tunnel, stepping up to the train. Through an open window, he spoke with a Lieutnant and pointed toward the two strangers. The officer leaned out the window to look at them. Scowling, he pulled his head back in, and walked deeper into the next train compartment.

Outside of the tunnel, the two men began to second guess themselves. Their message would have to go up the chain of command, and be heard by their intended recipient. This was the busiest command post in all of Europe, and the officers might brush it off.

'Lukas, do you think he'll get the message?' Theodor was clearly on edge.

'Of course he will. And he'll want to talk to us for the full story.'

After a delay of several minutes, two officers emerged from the next train compartment. The Lieutenant was back, and this time, he had someone else with him. An older, severe looking man with cropped hair. The pair stepped out of the train, and walked towards the travelers. Both guards snapped to attention.

Fixing them with a glare, General Franz Halder asked them a simple question. 'Who are you, and how do you know about operation Barbarossa?'

Theodor could feel his heart hammering. These questions didn't have easy answers. In fact, they had answers that might well get the both of them thrown in an insane asylum, or worse. (The Nasis were not known for their forgiving attitudes toward the mentally ill) He couldn't find the words to say, so he looked at Lukas, biding him to respond. Luckily, he was up to the task.

'Thank you for coming to see us, General. We are just ordinary civilians who have come to warn you. The question of how we came to know is difficult to answer.' Lukas said, with hesitance in his voice. 'But what we know is of crucial importance to the war. We've learned that the plan to invade the USSR is in danger. This morning, a spy ring has warned them about the upcoming invasion.'

Halder blanched at these words, surprised. 'A spy ring?'

'Thats right. They seem to have access to classified intelligence, things that only the General staff would know.'

'Is that a fact? What kindof information has been disclosed?'

Lukas shifted his stance, before answering. 'We're not entirely sure of the messages contents. However, I know that they were sent directly to Moscow, and that it concerns operation Barbarossa.'

Halder inhaled, shaking his head in dismay. 'Thats a very alarming story. But you still haven't told me how you came to know about such a development. I don't even know who you are.'

There it was, Lukas thought. They wouldn't be able to brush this particular question off. Revealing the truth at this stage was risky, but they had no other choice.

'It may sound incredible, but we already know what will happen. We have seen these events play out before us in the future. That is why we've come to alert you.'

At this, Halder frowned. 'What do you mean, from the future? That doesn't make any sense.'

The Lieutenant merely laughed at their claim. 'I don't suppose you two have a crystal ball?'

'No, its more complicated than that. We've come from a world where this war has already been fought. As a result, we know about things that haven't happened yet. Things that could threaten the safety of Germany and the war effort.' Lukas intoned.

Despite their extremist beliefs, both men had misgivings about the course of action they had chosen. The consequences of Nazi Germanys defeat had been disastrous. But the implications of them not losing were mind boggling. Theodor pondered what kindof world these people would create if they survived the war. The thought was disturbing.

Meanwhile, the military men were staring at Lukas. Their expression was not one of hostility, but blank incomprehension. It was clear that neither of them had ever spent any time thinking about time travel. It just wasn't in their reference frame. Lukas could almost see the wheels turning in Halders brain. The General was struggling to understand what they had just said. And wondering whether he was being swindled.

'But how can that be? The future is just an expression, a concept. Its not an actual place you can come from.' Halder said, perplexed.

Lukas and Theodor glanced at each other, impressed. The General was open minded, you had to give him that. In this era, the natural reaction would be to dismiss such claims. But he was still a long way from understanding the situation that had brought them all together. It wasn't just the existence of multiple Universes, or the creation of the Chicago device. It was about the dysfunctional world they had fled from, where Europe was on the verge of collapse.

'You're right, of course. The future is merely a phrase we use to describes the passage of time. But just because the future hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it won't happen. Time rolls forward inexorably, regardless of what we do.' Theodor explained.
Jan 2018
Chapter 1, Part 2

Lukas picked up for him. 'In the world we've come from, science has advanced at an incredible rate. We have machines that allow us to travel through space, and through time. I know that may sound hard to believe, but we have the facts to prove it.'

He reached into a backpack and pulled out a sheet of paper. It was a color photograph, showing a large metallic sphere in the middle of a laboratory. 'This is the machine we used to travel here. It is called the Chicago device.'

Halder took the sheet and studied it. The device had a strangely ominous appearance. But it was impossible to tell its true purpose. He was no physicist, after all. One thing that gave him pause was the sheet itself: It was a color photographs, rare for the time. And yet, the material wasn't made of photographic paper: It was just regular paper. Halder paused, trying to think of a response. Lukas and Theodor waited.

The General was frowning deeply, discomforted by what he'd seen. 'I honestly don't know what to make of you or your story. Theres no way for me to verify anything you've said. Nothing in my background has prepared me for such a strange encounter.'

The Lieutenant spoke up angrily. 'Surely you don't believe them, General? These men are obviously charlatans.'

Before Halder could respond, Lukas interrupted. 'I'm willing to offer as much evidence as you want. On the back face of that paper are a list of predictions I made. We read everything we could about this war and brought the information back with us.'

Turning the sheet of paper around, Halder studied the message. It was dated April 23, 1941. Todays date, Halder thought. The bullet points caught his attention.

'We mentioned the spy activity, but that isn't all that will happen today. In the Aegean sea, the Luftwaffe will sink a pair of Greek dreadnoughts. In the North Sea, the cruiser Prinz Eugen will soon hit a naval mine and be forced to return to port. But more important than any of that is that today, the British are reading encrypted radio traffic from Germany. They have broken the Enigma system.'

The General looked up sharply. 'That simply can't be true. All of our intelligence is encoded with the Enigma cipher. That coding system is unbreakable.'

Lukas decided not to pursue the matter, and instead tried a different approach. 'If I may ask you, General, what do you intend to do with the information we've provided?'

'I must talk with my superiors, and find out whether or not you're lying. We'll need to keep the pair of you under custody until we get this sorted out.'

At this, Theodor asked bluntly. 'You said 'my superiors.' Would that happen to include the fuhrer?'

The Lieutenant bristled at their impertinence. 'Thats none of your business.'

'We know hes onboard the train. Can't we take our story to him?'

'Civilians briefing the Fuhrer? I don't think so. You aren't going anywhere until we corroborate your story.' Halder turned to the two guards.

'Take these men into the station, and keep them under supervision. I'll send someone along to question them later.' With that, the General turned and walked back into the tunnel and the train.

His aide instructed the guards. 'These men are not permitted to talk to anyone. If they try anything suspicious, they are to shackled. I'll have another detail brought up to cover the tunnel entrance.'

The Lieutenant left. The guards nudged Lukas and Theodor, marching them down a walkway. Lukas kicked himself, believing he had bungled his opportunity. I should have used a different approach, he cursed.

After a short walk, they arrived at a small train station. It was empty aside from a handful of soldiers eating lunch. They guard motioned for them to sit on a wooden bench in the corner, while they stood across from them watchfully. Theodore gave his friend a significant look. They might be here for some time...

After waiting for 45 minutes, the two men started getting anxious. What if their 'warning' wasn't taken seriously? What if they were put into confinement without getting the chance to confront him? The entire plan they had spent months devising might be stillborn. They were half expecting some Gestapo men to come around the corner and haul them to prison.

But after the 1 hour mark passed, they finally got company. General Halder and the Lieutenant were back, both men looking pale and grim. Lukas and Theodor couldn't help but get the impression that they had spent the better part of the hour being yelled at by the Fuhrer.

The General looked at them with apprehension. 'You two, come with us. You have an audience waiting onboard the train.'

Lukas and Theodor got up from the bench, and were escorted outside the building and back to the train tracks. With gravel crunching beneath their feet, they walked into the tunnel and stepped aboard the armored train. The interior was sparsely decorated and austere. Halder led the way through the compartments, while the Lieutenant walked behind them, occasionally stepping on Lukas' heels.

He suppressed a flash of irritation. They were strangers to this place, and lucky to even be where they were. And in any case, he and his friend had bigger problems ahead. Much bigger. They would have to sell their story to none other than Adolf Hitler, and convince him that they weren't lunatics. Their actions would change the fate of the world. It was a frightening and surreal experience.

Finally reaching their destination, Halder came to a stop, and cast a glance back at the two civilians. He didn't seem particularly eager to enter into this last compartment.

'Before we enter, you will hear me out. I want you to tell the Fuhrer exactly what you told me. No embellishments, and no lies. Is that understood?'

After Lukas and Theodor nodded their assent, Halder opened the door and led them in, closing it behind himself. The men shuffled into the compartment, feeling as if their feet were made of lead. There was only one other individual present. The person had an overwhelming aura that filled the entire room: Adolf Hitler.

Not looking too pleased with the unpleasant news that had been dropped into his lap, at a time when he was already busy with the campaign in Greece and Yugoslavia. He sat in an leather chair, gazing at the new arrivals.

'So, you're the ones who decided to ruin my days schedule?' The Fuhrer mused.

Not sure how to respond, Lukas and Theodor both chose to remain silent, and waited for him to continue.

'I don't know who either of you are, or where you come from. But the situation you have created may have very severe consequences.' His tone rose.

'My invasion plans for the USSR are top secret. Only those with the highest security clearance know of them, and only then after I have personally approved of it. You meet neither of these qualifications. I could have you shot on the spot.'

Lukas and Theodor both cringed at this remark. They had expected skepticism, but not outright hostility and death threats.

'So why don't you begin by telling me exactly how you came to know about Operation Barbarossa. The story you relayed to Halder is a preposterous fairy tale. Do you honestly expect me to believe you've come from the future?' Hitler demanded. His gase was unwavering.

Lukas gulped, searching for an answer. 'As impossible as it sounds, it is the truth. We aren't from your world. We've come from another time. The war that you are fighting now has been over for a long time. About 80 years, in fact.'

Neither man expected the reaction that came next. Hitler let out a short, cynical laugh. It was an unnerving sound that echoed through the train compartment. Words were not needed to express his contempt.

Lukas reacted defensively. 'Its not that far in the future, Herr Hitler. Would you be laughing if I said I was from 500 years in the future, or 1000?'

The Dictator scowled at the remark, but before he could respond, Theodor intervened. 'We gave you a list of events that would transpire today. Things that no one could possibly know about before hand. Isn't that good enough proof?' Theodor asked.

'Ah yes, the predictions.' Hitler said, with a slight sneer.

'Ordinarily, I would have dismissed this as nothing more than a hoax. But then, Halder made some inquirys and found out that your list has accurately foretold todays events.' He hesitated fractionally, the briefest signs of doubt creeping into his features.

'I wasn't sure how that could be possible... But then, Halder offered a perfectly rational explaination. One that doesn't require any kind of fortune telling.' Hitler looked over at Halder, nodding.

Fiddling with his hat, Halder paused before speaking. 'The Fuhrer and I have gone over this from every angle, and we are not convinced by your story. We think its possible that you two are British spys, and that this is some elaborate scheme arranged by them. What do you say in your defense?'

Lukas was outraged. To be accused of fraud was one thing, but to be accused as a traitor was quite another. 'We're not conspiring with the British! We only arrived here two hours ago, for gods sake. Everything that happened today was spontaneous!'

'So you say. The problem is, we have no way to corroborate that.' Halder stated, not yielding any ground. Hitler seemed to be just as resolute.

Lukas couldn't help but seethe. You stubborn bastards, he silently cursed.
Oct 2013
Planet Nine, Oregon
Taken to its logical extreme as a principle, it also explains the constant repetition of story lines in many genres. Most of what we can conceive of that is meaningful for us has been explored. Little new under the sun.. Remakes, channels, even the visual arts. Everything derivative. More special effects can be like thicker lipstick on old pigs.
Jan 2018
You are a good writer!
Thank you :cool: Chapter 1 and 2 of my story use the third person subjective narrative to get all the characters introduced to each other.

Subsequent chapters use the third person objective narrative to convey the rest of the story from that point on.

My story is intensely plot driven, and focuses on the events of the altered war, rather than character interactions. Some might find that disappointing, but true history nerds won't mind.

Well its the only way it ever could have happen, but what that not be a time paradox.
Exactly. Multiple Universes, multiple Earths, all temporally displaced from each other. In this respect, the Chicago device functions more as a portal to the past than a genuine time machine that can send you to any temporal location whatsoever. Time in both Universes rolls forward 1 second, 1 minute, 1 hour at a time.

Taken to its logical extreme as a principle, it also explains the constant repetition of story lines in many genres. Most of what we can conceive of that is meaningful for us has been explored. Little new under the sun.. Remakes, channels, even the visual arts. Everything derivative. More special effects can be like thicker lipstick on old pigs.
Alot of these alternate history storys that involve changing the outcome of the war suffer from what I like to call 'bad history.' :lol: This is especially bad in scenarios where Germany or Japan end up winning (or at least, not losing) the second world war. I've seen some pretty silly ways this story objective has been pursued.

Some of the more questionable suggestions for how Germany could've won are: 1) Just win the battle of Britain and then invade them! 2) Just make sure to invade Russia earlier in 1941 and win before winter! 3) Just make sure to win the battle of Moscow! So on and so forth.

Most people don't understand that the Wehrmacht failed to achieve Germanys objectives for a wide variety of reasons, not all of which were military in nature. There were political mistakes (both with allies, enemies, and neutrals), financial and economic mistakes, resources and geographical limitations, etc. If anything, my story is a more holistic look at how Germany could realistically solve these problems, and adopt a strategy with a realistic chance at achieving her war aims.
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