How was the city of Indraprastha actually built?

Dec 2015
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AFAIK Vedic Aryans were nomads who migrated and conquered North West of Subcontinent. how they built a grand and majestic city like Indraprastha ? Is Delhi the same city that is mentioned in our holy books as Indraprastha ?

(note : please give a Realistic/Historical answer, i already know mythological one):)
 
Jan 2016
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Indraprastha was hardly "grand" or "majestic," but was a small town of area less than 60 hectares. Such towns had started emerging in north India some time after the Indo-Aryan migration.
 

Aupmanyav

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(note : please give a Realistic/Historical answer, i already know mythological one):)
"Archaeological Survey of India (ASI) carried out excavations at Purana Qila in 1954–55 and again from 1969 to 1973 by B. B. Lal, and its findings and artefacts are exhibited at the Archaeological Museum, Purana Qila. This includes Painted Grey Ware, dating 1500 BC, and various objects and pottery signifying continuous habitation from Mauryan to Shunga, Kushana, Gupta, Rajput, Delhi Sultanate and Mughal periods.

.. In support of this, until 1913, a village called Indrapat existed within the fort walls."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purana_Qila#Excavations
 
Oct 2015
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In Ancient India, Indraprasth (Delhi) was a city on periphery or border. It was continuously inhabited but became the most prominent city of India during Delhi Sultanate period only.

Hastinapur:

In Mahabharat, the capital of Kauravs was Hastinapur which was on the banks of Ganga River and inside the Ganga-Yamuna Doab. It was the most important city then.

Since the Kauravs did not want Pandavs (their cousin brother) anywhere close, they were given a land just outside the Ganga-Yamuna Doab, but separated by Yamuna River, to build a city which they named Indraprasth. This new city was Pandav capital only for a few years because after they defeated Kauravs, the capital was shifted to Hastinapur and that is where Parikshit ruled from.

Pandav's capital in Hastinapur lasted for about five generations after Parikshit, that is about 100 years. At that time, a flood in Ganga River 'carried away Hastinapur'. Archeologists have also found evidence of a major flood in the digs at Hastinapur site.
After the flood in Hastinapur, the Pandav king shifted to a city named Kosambi, which is downstream on the Ganga River.

Rajgriha / Girivraj:

In the time of Buddh, c. 500 BC, the main cities seem to be Varanasi & Rajgriha. Bodh-Gaya where Buddh gained enlightenment was on periphery. Varanasi was the main religious centre. Mahavir also moved in Rajgriha/Girivraj.

Patliputra/ Patna:

Next important city was Patliputra which was the capital of Magadh. Its prominence from circa 400 to circa 200 BC, i.e. fall of Mauryan Empire.

Kanauj:

I am jumping over a long period of time here. Kanauj was an important city in northern India. From somewhere c. 600 CE to 1200 CE, we hear talks about 'Kanuaj Triangle'. Mahmud Ghaznavi who conquered Kanauj (c. 1025 CE) was amazed at the beauty of the city as we know from his letter send to Ghazni. Some believe that Kanauj was the model which inspired Mahmud to beautify Ghazni.


Delhi:

Indraprasth was a city which lay below the present-day Purana Qila (Old Fort). When ASI went for survey there the village was still called 'Indrapath'. So there is not much doubt about its location in Delhi.

While Delhi continued to be occupied throughout the centuries from times of Mahabharat, it gained some prominence during medieval times. The main settlement at this time was in 'Lal Kot' (=Red Fort) area, which is where today Qutub Minar is located. When Muhammad Ghori conquered Delhi from Prithviraj Chauhan. He broke 27 Jain temples and used parts of them build a Mosque there. Qutub Minar was also built at this time (1200 CE).

Delhi became most prominent city of India under the Delhi Sultanates and later under Mughal Emperors.

Kolkata:

Under the British, while Delhi waned and Kolkata became the capital. It was bigger than Mumbai. When Subhash Chandra Bose became Mayor of Kolkata, it was the second biggest city in the world.

Delhi:

Again rose to prominence when British mover capital to Delhi in c. 1911. Independent India has inherited it.
 
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AFAIK Vedic Aryans were nomads who migrated and conquered North West of Subcontinent. how they built a grand and majestic city like Indraprastha ? Is Delhi the same city that is mentioned in our holy books as Indraprastha ?

(note : please give a Realistic/Historical answer, i already know mythological one)
Indraprastha was not built by the vedic aryans. It was built by Maya Danava, who belonged to a native tribe. He was not an aryan.
 
Oct 2015
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Indraprastha was not built by the vedic aryans. It was built by Maya Danava, who belonged to a native tribe. He was not an aryan.
There is reference to a war on banks of Yamuna River in Rig Ved Samhita.

Can you please elaborate evidence that it was built by Maya Danav?

regards

Rajeev
 

Aupmanyav

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Indraprastha was not built by the vedic aryans. It was built by Maya Danava, who belonged to a native tribe. He was not an aryan.
I did not go into that because OP said he knows about mythology and wants only historical.
There is reference to a war on banks of Yamuna River in Rig Ved Samhita.
The war that RigVeda mentions (Battle of Ten Kings - Dasarajna war) took place on the banks of River Ravi (Parushni) and not on the banks of Yamuna. That is the only big war mentioned in RigVeda, between the Tritsu King Sudas and a host of North-West Indian tribes including some from outside India.

"If of the tribes mentioned in 7.18, the Turvasas, Yaksus (pun for Yadu), Matsyas, Bhrgus, Druhyus, Pakthas, Bhalanas, Alinas, Shivas and Visanins are counted, the full number is reached, leaving the Anavas (7.18.14), the Ajas and Sigrus (7.18.19) and the "21 men of both Vaikarna tribes" (7.18.11) without a king, and implying that Bheda (7.18.19, also mentioned 7.33.3 and 7.83.4, the main leader slain by Sudas), Shimyu (7.18.5), and Kavasa (7.18.12) are the names of individual kings. The Bharatas are named among the enemies in 7.33 but not in 7.18."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Ten_Kings
 
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There is reference to a war on banks of Yamuna River in Rig Ved Samhita.

Can you please elaborate evidence that it was built by Maya Danav?

regards

Rajeev
Here is evidence that the Indraprastha palace was built by Maya Danava:

Om! After having bowed down to Narayana, and Nara, the most exalted male being, and also to the goddess Saraswati, must the word Jaya be uttered.

"Vaisampayana said,--"Then, in the presence of Vasudeva, Maya Danava, having worshipped Arjuna, repeatedly spoke unto him with joined hands and in amiable words,--'O son of Kunti, saved have I been by thee from this Krishna in spate and from Pavaka (fire) desirous of consuming me. Tell me what I have to do for thee.

"Arjuna said,--'O great Asura, everything hath already been done by thee (even by this offer of thine). Blest be thou. Go whithersoever thou likest. Be kind and well-disposed towards me, as we are even kind to and well-pleased with thee!'

"Maya said,--'O bull amongst men, what thou hast said is worthy of thee, O exalted one. But O Bharata, I desire to do something for thee cheerfully. I am a great artist, a Viswakarma among the Danavas. O son of Pandu, being what I am, I desire to do something for thee.'

"Arjuna said,--'O sinless one, thou regardest thyself as saved (by me) from imminent death. Even if it hath been so, I cannot make thee do anything for me. At the same time, O Danava, I do not wish to frustrate thy intentions. Do thou something for Krishna. That will be a sufficient requital for my services to thee.'

Vaisampayana said,--"Then, O bull of the Bharata race, urged by Maya, Vasudeva reflected for a moment as to what he should ask Maya to accomplish. Krishna, the Lord of the universe and the Creator of every object, having reflected in his mind, thus commanded Maya,--'Let a palatial sabha (meeting hall) as thou choosest, be built (by thee), if thou, O son of Diti, who art the foremost of all artists, desirest to do good to Yudhishthira the just. Indeed, build thou such a palace that persons belonging to the world of men may not be able to imitate it even after examining it with care, while seated within. And, O Maya, build thou a mansion in which we may behold a combination of godly, asuric and human designs.'"

p. 2

Vaisampayana continued,--"Having heard those words, Maya became exceedingly glad. And he forthwith built a magnificent palace for the son of Pandu like unto the palace of the celestials themselves. Then Krishna and Partha (Arjuna) after having narrated everything unto king Yudhishthira the just, introduced Maya unto him. Yudhishthira received Maya with respect, offering him the honour he deserved. And, O Bharata, Maya accepted that honour thinking highly of it. O monarch of the Bharata race, that great son of Diti then recited unto the sons of Pandu the history of the Danava Vrisha-parva, and that foremost of artists then, having rested awhile, set himself after much thoughtful planning to build a palace for the illustrious sons of Pandu. Agreeably to the wishes of both Krishna and the sons of Pritha, the illustrious Danava of great prowess, having performed on an auspicious day the initial propitiatory rites of foundation and having also gratified thousands of well-versed Brahmanas with sweetened milk and rice and with rich presents of various kinds, measured out a plot of land five thousand cubits square, which was delightful and exceedingly handsome to behold and which was favourable for construction of a building well-suited to the exigencies of every season."

The Mahabharata, Book 2: Sabha Parva: Section I
 
Dec 2015
559
Gujarat, Western India
Indraprastha was hardly "grand" or "majestic," but was a small town of area less than 60 hectares. Such towns had started emerging in north India some time after the Indo-Aryan migration.
bummer, but why it's still more popular than larger cities like kashi, Hastinapur , patna and kannuj ?:eek: