How were the Freemasonry and Communism related during and after the WW1?

Nov 2017
866
Győr
#1
The Hungarian Soviet Republic often used Freemasonry symbols by the communist leaders in important events, they even placed it as a state symbol in the Hungarian parliament building.




In 1919, during the [[Hungarian Soviet Republic]] a Freemasonry Square and Compass was placed as state symbol in the Hungarian Parliament.


A Freemason Square and Compasses symbol is located under the leftmost Gothic arch. The replacement of national symbols with communist symbols based on the idea of Bela Kun and Tibor Szamuely.

The picture is from 1919:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...ymbol_in_the_Hungarian_parliament_in_1919.jpg
 
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stevev

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Apr 2017
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Las Vegas, NV USA
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In the USSR (URSS) the Greek Orthodox Church was not shut down for political reasons, but it was not encouraged. Most who attended services were elderly. As for Hungary, I can't say, but regular Catholic and Protestant denominations regard freemasonry as a cult in the US (even though George Washington was a member). Since it's not a standard religion, maybe it was acceptable in a communist state. Besides many may think its symbolism is cool.:)
 
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Nov 2017
866
Győr
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In the USSR (URSS) the Greek Orthodox Church was not shut down for political reasons, but it was not encouraged. Most who attended services were elderly. As for Hungary, I can't say, but regular Catholic and Protestant denominations regard freemasonry as a cult in the US (even though George Washington was a member). Since it's not a standard religion, maybe its acceptable in a communist state. Besides many may regard its symbolism as cool.:)
But isn't it interesting that many ministers / commissars of the Hungarian Soviet republic were formerly member of Freemason organizations when they were younger.
 

stevev

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Apr 2017
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Las Vegas, NV USA
#6
But isn't it interesting that many ministers / commissars of the Hungarian Soviet republic were formerly member of Freemason organizations when they were younger.
Yes, especially when you consider George Washington was member and the Eye of Providence decorates the back of the US dollar bill.
 
Nov 2017
866
Győr
#7
Yes, especially when you consider George Washington was member and the Eye of Providence decorates the back of the US dollar bill.
G. Washington was an original liberal, communist ideas did not exist during his life. And he was Anglo-Saxon American mason, which means Scottish Rite Mason.

However in Continental Europe, the masonry was French - lead (like Grand Orient de France ) which also included non-liberal radical leftist members , who saw the world (often) through Marxist eyeglasses. This type of radicalist political behavior was not tolerated in the classic liberal Anglo-Saxon Scottish Rite Masonry.
 
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stevev

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Apr 2017
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However Washington was an original liberal, there were no communism during his life. And he was Anglo-Saxon American mason, which means Scottish Rite Mason.

However in Continental Europe, the masonry was French - lead (like Grand Orient de France ) which also included non-liberal radical leftist members , who saw the world (often) through Marxist eyeglasses. This type of radicalist political behavior was not tolerated in the classic liberal Anglo-Saxon Scottish Rite Masonry.
I'm not sure I would consider Washington a liberal. He was a wealthy slave owner and generally conservative. At that time liberals wanted a weaker, not stronger central government (Jefferson). Washington was a Federalist while Jefferson supporters created the opposing party later to become the Democratic Party. Conservative-Liberal classification doesn't work well in American history because of the slavery issue. States' rights became code words for slavery.

If European freemasonry included the far left, why wouldn't you expect young Hungarians to join if they wanted to rise to high positions in a communist state?
 
Nov 2017
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Győr
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I'm not sure I would consider Washington a liberal. He was a wealthy slave owner and generally conservative. At that time liberals wanted a weaker, not stronger central government (Jefferson). Washington was a Federalist while Jefferson supporters created the opposing party later to become the Democratic Party. Conservative-Liberal classification doesn't work well in American history because of the slavery issue. States' rights became code words for slavery.

If European freemasonry included the far left, why wouldn't you expect young Hungarians to join if they wanted to rise to high positions in a communist state?
https://books.google.com/books?id=l...ungarian soviet republic" freemasonry&f=false

Freemasonry was considered communist, their library and correspondence were confiscated by Horthy and partially published. It was full with Marxist works.

So it is the only masonic correspondence which is available for the public and researchers.
All other masonic correspondences remained secret in every other countries until this day.

French-lead Continental European masonry was enough commie.... (despite the fact that very very rich capitalist people were in huge numbers in masonic ranks)

How can you interpret this contradiction? Why were so many rich capitalists who secretly loved the Marxist commie ideas?
 
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