How would Europe changed if the soviets took Warsaw in 1920?

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
17,887
SoCal
#11
Germany already successfully dealt with its Communists in 1919. With their leadership being decapitated, are they actually going to be able to organize a successful rebellion?
 

pugsville

Ad Honorem
Oct 2010
8,809
#15
Perhaps they could, probably it would have been hard and costly. Soviets had deserters, logistical problems because of their overextencion made in the last two months.

I think that would have been revolutions in Europe, like Germany, France and Italy.
No chance at all in France. very little in germany the Red attempted coup in 1919 had been put down pretty ruthlessly with the Socialist party SPD based government turning to the Frei Korps. Hungaray had already played out. Don;t know enough about Itlay.
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
17,887
SoCal
#16
No chance at all in France. very little in germany the Red attempted coup in 1919 had been put down pretty ruthlessly with the Socialist party SPD based government turning to the Frei Korps. Hungaray had already played out. Don;t know enough about Itlay.
Completely agreed with all of this.
 
Mar 2019
12
Cisalpine Gaul (Italy)
#17
No chance at all in France. very little in germany the Red attempted coup in 1919 had been put down pretty ruthlessly with the Socialist party SPD based government turning to the Frei Korps. Hungaray had already played out. Don;t know enough about Itlay.
Italy in 1922 went nearly to a revolution, but the fascists took over
 
Dec 2017
275
Regnum Teutonicum
#18
A couple of month ago I made a similar thread and in the meantime I found the following video about the same topic.

I agree would agree with most what is said in the video, only at the last third I see some things differently.
1. I do not see Soviet Russia collapse and communism being wiped out after peace is signed. I think communism was to entrenched in the country at that point in time.
2. I do not see Germany annexing more territory than was lost after the First World War, so old borders.
3. I agree that Germany would put buffer states between her an the Soviets, I think those buffer states would be Poland and Ukraine, not Belarus. Belarus would have a population to russophile, so only the westernmost parts of today's Belarus, like Volhynia, would go to the buffer states.
4. I can see Germany forming a big democratic alliance (at least for defensive purposes) in Central and Northern Europe (Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Austria (later voting to join Germany), Luxembourg, Sweden, maybe Czechoslovakia).
5. With Stresemann as chancellor I can see an ending of the franco-german enmity and a crushing of the fascists
6. I can see the Soviets and Japan secretly carving up their spheres in northern China, maybe even partitioning it.
 
Apr 2018
951
Upland, Sweden
#19
I don't see the Soviets holding Warszawa. The Poles are going to rebel, they've tasted their first gulps of national liberty for 200 years, and now they're going to be subordinated under not just a foreign regime (again) but a foreign communist one? I don't see it happening. Completely subjective, but it just doesn't feel likely. Not with so many other previously subject states in Central and Eastern Europe forming their own countries anyway.

I also think Germany would have intervened, and yes, they would probably have used this as an excuse to grab Danzig etc.
 

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