how would the western and central african kingsoms fare against the south east asian kingdoms? Seeing as both of there military weapon and tatics?

Apr 2019
3
Los Angeles
#1
SouthEast Asians would have crossbows, ballistae, trained elephants, better architecture leading to better fortifications, better siege techs, better navies, more widespread use of gunpowder, better tactics
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Nov 2018
84
West Covina
#2
South east Asian ballistas were litterally glorified long bows on wheels they weren't comparable to chinese or roman ballistas. War elephants are heavily overrated Asian elephants wouldn't intimidate West or Central Africans who regularly delt with the much larger African bush elephant comparable in size to mammoths which they used to make sheilds africans had large armies Humai's successor, "Dunama (1098-1151), performed the Hajj three times, before drowning at Aidab. His wealth included 100,000 horsemen and 120,000 soldiers. Malian empire had a standing army 100,000 strong with 10,000 calvalry troops they also had a navy composed on 700 ships according to contemporary accounts 298b9e7b74fabf2bb9405d6ebacb94f3.jpg cdd643869e7707fe70849071618e45f1.jpg 44793b48373ad3ec931b0a679d30955d.jpg b0f93a345297c290af98b1613d354ed1.jpg d50fecfec00e24e8ab6dbb82a295b83a.jpg 83e4a677f123b8f86a8bedee48a8a2fd.jpg 5b4bc0684f6a493594c089ad1e9b4333.jpg 120-3.jpg b2f4ad0a678794a7f95859d5a909f4a7.jpg

Smith, Abdullahi (1972). Ajayi, J.F. Ade; Crowder, Michael (eds.). The early states of the Central Sudan, in History of West Africa, Volume One. New York: Columbia University Press. pp. 168–172, 199–201.

Palmer, Richmond (1936). The Bornu Sahara and Sudan. London: John Murray. pp. 166, 195, 223.

Urvoy, Y. (1949). Historie De L'Empire Du Bronu (Memoires De L'Institut Francais D'Afrique Noire, No. 7 ed.). Paris: Librairie Larose. p. 21
 
Mar 2012
378
#4
The idea that they would be "Curb stomped" is laughable at best and a bit arrogant at best. First off all Which "Africans" are we talking about, and who is invading whom, and where? In S.E Asia or on African Soil...? You need to be more specific.

Lets say for example your S.E Asians tried to invade the Nubians/Sudanese. Who for thousands of years kept the likes of the Persians, Romans, and Arabs at bay, inflicting fear and respect for their skill at archery.

Accounts from the Persians
"So from the battlements as though on the walls of a citadel, the archers kept up with a continual discharge of well aimed shafts, so dense that the Persians had the sensation of a cloud descending upon them, especially when the Ethiopians made their enemies; eyes the targets.. SO unerring was their aim that those who they pierced with their shafts rushed about wildly in the throngs with the arrows projecting from their eyes like double flutes."

Accounts from the Arabs
'Abdalla b. Sa'd raided the Blacks (asāwid) who are the Nūba, according to what Yahyā b. 'Abdalla Ibn Bukayr told us, in the year 31 [652 A.D.].
'Abd al-Malik b. Maslama said: - Ibn Lahī'a reported the following statement made by Yazīd b. Abī Habīb: - 'Abdalla b. Sa'd b. Abī Sarh was the agent (ʿāmil) of 'Uthmān in Egypt in the year 31 when the Nubians attacked him.
[p. 57] Ibn Lahī'a reported the following statement from Al-Hārith Ibn Yazīd: They [the Muslims] fought a hard fight. On that day many were hit in their eyes, such as Mu'āwiya b. Hudayj and ’Alī Shamir b. Abraha and Haywil b. Nashir. The Nubians were nicknamed "the pupils-smiters". After that 'Abdalla b. Sa'd signed a truce with them, as he was not able to defeat them.
-Ibn 'Abd al-Hakam
 
Mar 2012
378
#5
You also had African Armies like the Ashanti, Zulu, Ethiopians who kept Europeans at bay and managed to successfully defeat a European army. Then you have the success of various Africans on non African Soil, i.e the Zanj in Basra, the Siddis in India and Jinjira etc.
 

Naomasa298

Forum Staff
Apr 2010
33,712
T'Republic of Yorkshire
#6
What era are we talking about?

The pictures in the OP seem to depict Siamese and Burmese soldiers dating from around the late 18th century, around the time of the fall of Ayutthaya. At this stage, cannon and gunpowder were in common usage, but much of the fighting was still done hand to hand with swords and spears.
 
Nov 2018
84
West Covina
#7
The idea that they would be "Curb stomped" is laughable at best and a bit arrogant at best. First off all Which "Africans" are we talking about, and who is invading whom, and where? In S.E Asia or on African Soil...? You need to be more specific.

Lets say for example your S.E Asians tried to invade the Nubians/Sudanese. Who for thousands of years kept the likes of the Persians, Romans, and Arabs at bay, inflicting fear and respect for their skill at archery.

Accounts from the Persians
"So from the battlements as though on the walls of a citadel, the archers kept up with a continual discharge of well aimed shafts, so dense that the Persians had the sensation of a cloud descending upon them, especially when the Ethiopians made their enemies; eyes the targets.. SO unerring was their aim that those who they pierced with their shafts rushed about wildly in the throngs with the arrows projecting from their eyes like double flutes."

Accounts from the Arabs
'Abdalla b. Sa'd raided the Blacks (asāwid) who are the Nūba, according to what Yahyā b. 'Abdalla Ibn Bukayr told us, in the year 31 [652 A.D.].
'Abd al-Malik b. Maslama said: - Ibn Lahī'a reported the following statement made by Yazīd b. Abī Habīb: - 'Abdalla b. Sa'd b. Abī Sarh was the agent (ʿāmil) of 'Uthmān in Egypt in the year 31 when the Nubians attacked him.
[p. 57] Ibn Lahī'a reported the following statement from Al-Hārith Ibn Yazīd: They [the Muslims] fought a hard fight. On that day many were hit in their eyes, such as Mu'āwiya b. Hudayj and ’Alī Shamir b. Abraha and Haywil b. Nashir. The Nubians were nicknamed "the pupils-smiters". After that 'Abdalla b. Sa'd signed a truce with them, as he was not able to defeat them.
-Ibn 'Abd al-Hakam
The said western and Central African kingdoms
 
Apr 2019
3
Los Angeles
#8
The idea that they would be "Curb stomped" is laughable at best and a bit arrogant at best. First off all Which "Africans" are we talking about, and who is invading whom, and where? In S.E Asia or on African Soil...? You need to be more specific.

Lets say for example your S.E Asians tried to invade the Nubians/Sudanese. Who for thousands of years kept the likes of the Persians, Romans, and Arabs at bay, inflicting fear and respect for their skill at archery.

Accounts from the Persians
"So from the battlements as though on the walls of a citadel, the archers kept up with a continual discharge of well aimed shafts, so dense that the Persians had the sensation of a cloud descending upon them, especially when the Ethiopians made their enemies; eyes the targets.. SO unerring was their aim that those who they pierced with their shafts rushed about wildly in the throngs with the arrows projecting from their eyes like double flutes."

Accounts from the Arabs
'Abdalla b. Sa'd raided the Blacks (asāwid) who are the Nūba, according to what Yahyā b. 'Abdalla Ibn Bukayr told us, in the year 31 [652 A.D.].
'Abd al-Malik b. Maslama said: - Ibn Lahī'a reported the following statement made by Yazīd b. Abī Habīb: - 'Abdalla b. Sa'd b. Abī Sarh was the agent (ʿāmil) of 'Uthmān in Egypt in the year 31 when the Nubians attacked him.
[p. 57] Ibn Lahī'a reported the following statement from Al-Hārith Ibn Yazīd: They [the Muslims] fought a hard fight. On that day many were hit in their eyes, such as Mu'āwiya b. Hudayj and ’Alī Shamir b. Abraha and Haywil b. Nashir. The Nubians were nicknamed "the pupils-smiters". After that 'Abdalla b. Sa'd signed a truce with them, as he was not able to defeat them.
-Ibn 'Abd al-Hakam
I said western and Central African kingdoms and empires SEA was far superior in terms of military technology the practiced actual siege warfare building actual fortresses the africans only practiced extremely primitive warfare SEA had acess to ballistas and war elephants what west and Central Africa have agianst show me an army from those regions even remotely comparable in terms of tactics size of armies organization etc