I need help History boi's!

Sep 2019
45
Canada
For some inexplicable reason, I cannot find any sources or texts that mention/explain why, that at least in Europe, there could be only ONE official Empire. (Like how it is a misnomer to call the Angevin Empire an 'Empire' because they didnt refer to themselves as one, mentioning that the Holy Roman Empire is the only true Empire)
I was hoping you guys could help me out, by other explaining or posting links, as to why this was the case. Apparently the answer also relates to Theology?
I appreciate the help :)
 
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Maki

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Jan 2017
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Well, if there is only one God, there should be only one Empire. And that empire was the Roman Empire. It's just that various entities claimed to be the rightful Roman Empire throughout history.
 
Sep 2019
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Canada
Well, if there is only one God, there should be only one Empire. And that empire was the Roman Empire. It's just that various entities claimed to be the rightful Roman Empire throughout history.
That makes a lot of sense. Pretty straightforward aha, thank you
 
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Sep 2019
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This is of course if you ignore the Byzantine, Russian, Mongol, Ottoman and various colonial era European empires.
I wouldnt consider either of those European Empires aha.
The closest would be Byzantine, for a brief period when they had most of the Italian peninsula and some of the Balkans lol
 
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This is of course if you ignore the Byzantine, Russian, Mongol, Ottoman and various colonial era European empires.
If you weren't referring to those as European, then I was only referring to Europe, im sure there were Asiatic empires who didnt concern themselves with European political/religious classifications aha
 
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Chlodio

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Aug 2016
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I wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that the pope had something to do with creating the HRE with Charlemagne in the year 800. For the Angevins or any other West Europeans to also claim to be an empire would be to go against the pope which wasn't worth the bother. The Ottomans, Byzantines, Mongols, etc didn't recognize the pope and were under no such restriction.
 
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I wouldnt consider either of those European Empires aha.
The closest would be Byzantine, for a brief period when they had most of the Italian peninsula and some of the Balkans lol
The capitals of the byzantine and ottoman empires were in Europe, as was much of their territory. The Russian empire was primarily based in Europe. The Mongol empire I was referring to was the Golden Horde, which ruled much of eastern Europe. The various western European colonial countries ruled vast empires (British, French, German, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, etc.). Napoleon called his domain an empire and took the title of emperor.
 
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Not so much the the Pope as the whole of Christendom (the Orthodox vs Roman split came later). One Faith - One Universal State.
The Empire of Constantinople considered itself THE Roman Empire and denied the Popes ability to name the King of the Franks Emperor.
It has to have to do with Constantine.