If Britain & France would have fought in the early 20th C, could Britain get Algeria?

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If Britain & France would have fought in the early 20th C, could Britain get Algeria?

If Britain and France would have fought in the early 20th century, could Britain have gotten Algeria in the event of victory?

A good way to have Britain and France fight each other in the early 20th century would be to have World War I be delayed--thus causing Britain to gradually ally with the Central Powers for balance-of-power reasons (and assuming that German Kaiser Wilhelm II wouldn't do anything stupid to anger Britain after 1914). Thus, eventually, some sort of spark is going to trigger a World War--except Britain is going to be fighting on the side of the Central Powers in this scenario.

Anyway, if Britain and its allies will win this war, is it realistic to expect France to give up Algeria to Britain? I mean, Germany is going to make territorial demands of France in this scenario and if Germany can demand parts of France (such as iron ore-rich Briey and Longwy), why not Britain as well?

Also, if Britain acquires Algeria, how will the pieds-noirs react to this? Will they quickly become loyal to Britain like the Quebecois did? Or is there going to be a lot of anger and resentment towards Britain for a very long time?

Also, how would British control of Algeria have affected the natives (Muslims) of Algeria as well as the general economic and political development of Algeria?

Any thoughts on all of this?
 

Chlodio

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Have you read Robert Massie's "Dreadnought?" He talks about the Fashoda Crisis of 1898 and the Algeciras Conference of 1906 as two major turning points in the relationship between Britain and France. Prior to Fashoda, Britain and France were on a collision course for war over Africa but after Algeciras Britain and France were on the road toward alliance against Germany. Prior to Algeciras Britain had more influence in Morroco than France did which would be an excellent springboard for taking over Algeria.
 

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Have you read Robert Massie's "Dreadnought?" He talks about the Fashoda Crisis of 1898 and the Algeciras Conference of 1906 as two major turning points in the relationship between Britain and France. Prior to Fashoda, Britain and France were on a collision course for war over Africa but after Algeciras Britain and France were on the road toward alliance against Germany. Prior to Algeciras Britain had more influence in Morroco than France did which would be an excellent springboard for taking over Algeria.
I did not read Dreadnought but I know the general story in regards to this.

That said, though, France would have needed to be very, very stupid for it to go to war against Britain alone.
 

stevev

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I did not read Dreadnought but I know the general story in regards to this.

That said, though, France would have needed to be very, very stupid for it to go to war against Britain alone.
Indeed. Who could France ally itself with? Russia? Maybe, but allying with a land power would only help against Britain's German allies. Consider that France has never been at war with the US and was critical in helping the US win the AWOI. Britain was at war twice with the US and contemplated entering the US Civil War on the side of the South. Lingering resentment continued at least into the 1870's. The US would be a logical ally as a sea power, combined with French sea power. Algeria and Morocco could then be held by the French. What does the US get? How about Canada?
 
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Indeed. Who could France ally itself with? Russia? Maybe, but allying with a land power would only help against Britain's German allies. Consider that France has never been at war with the US and was critical in helping the US win the AWOI. Britain was at war twice with the US and contemplated entering the US Civil War on the side of the South. Lingering resentment continued at least into the 1870's. The US would be a logical ally as a sea power, combined with French sea power. Algeria and Morocco could then be held by the French. What does the US get? How about Canada?
The U.S. doesn't appear to have been interested in Canada in 1900, though.

Also, even with Russia as an ally, 1900 (or 1898, or 1905, or 1910) would still be way too early for France to fight both Britain and Germany. Indeed, please remember that, while Russia had a lot of potential, it would require decades for Russia to actualize this potential.
 

stevev

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The U.S. doesn't appear to have been interested in Canada in 1900, though.
Of course, but you're proposing a very different set of circumstances. With a hostile Anglo-German alliance, France has few choices for effective allies. Russia is one. It did take the Concert of Europe to stop Russia from taking Istanbul in 1879. Just on the strategic merits, the US could be a logical ally. Instead of the Spanish American War, maybe someone like TR would be more interested in saving France with or without Canada. Clearly though, a war between the UK and US would involve Canada.
 
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Of course, but you're proposing a very different set of circumstances. With a hostile Anglo-German alliance, France has few choices for effective allies. Russia is one. It did take the Concert of Europe to stop Russia from taking Istanbul in 1879. Just on the strategic merits, the US could be a logical ally. Instead of the Spanish American War, maybe someone like TR would be more interested in saving France with or without Canada. Clearly though, a war between the UK and US would involve Canada.
Why exactly would the U.S. want to ruin its good relations with Britain, though?
 

stevev

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Why exactly would the U.S. want to ruin its good relations with Britain, though?
I don't know how good they were in 1900. The UK wouldn't like any power being even close to their naval dominance. The three largest fleets were the UK, the US and Germany. Now add an Anglo-German alliance. France is clearly threatened. You're saying France would be passive Who knows? The alternative is that it would seek allies and the US might not find the Anglo-German alliance to their liking. I'm not saying there would be a war, but at least a new balance of power.
 
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Poly

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Why would Britain want Algeria ?

Nothing there but sand, angry Arabs and Frenchmen.