If Elser kills Hitler in Nov. 1939, is there going to be a compromise peace?

Futurist

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If Georg Elser kills Adolf Hitler in November 1939, is there going to be an end to the war and a compromise peace shortly afterwards?

Would Herman Goering--the new German Fuhrer, as per Hitler's will--have sought peace instead of continuing the war? Also, would Britain and France be willing to positively respond to his peace overtures? In addition, can a peace be reached which would be agreeable to both sides?

Also, if the war continues due to a lack of agreement, is Goering still going to implement the Manstein Plan? Also, is Goering still going to invade the Soviet Union afterwards?

Any thoughts on all of this?
 
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Blood had been shed copiously--allied as well as German-- by then, especially in Poland. What would have been done regarding the Americans dead in the ' Athenia ' torpedoing? Warsaw had been smashed by the Luftwaffe bombings, apart from the Soviet Union having gobbled up a part of Poland. Even if Germany might have requested an armistice, who would have started peace negotiations after the experience of Germans breaking their words often enough. And what would they have done to get the USSR to vacate occupied Poland and the deaths of some 300 Polish army personnel?
 

pugsville

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If Georg Elser kills Adolf Hitler in November 1939, is there going to be an end to the war and a compromise peace shortly afterwards?

Would Herman Goering--the new German Fuhrer, as per Hitler's will--have sought peace instead of continuing the war? Also, would Britain and France be willing to positively respond to his peace overtures? In addition, can a peace be reached which would be agreeable to both sides?

Also, if the war continues due to a lack of agreement, is Goering still going to implement the Manstein Plan? Also, is Goering still going to invade the Soviet Union afterwards?

Any thoughts on all of this?
No there is no chance of comprimise peace.

Complete evaction of all land occupied, incldung cezchslavkia and Austria, Compelete disarment and war reparations
 

Futurist

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No there is no chance of comprimise peace.

Complete evaction of all land occupied, incldung cezchslavkia and Austria, Compelete disarment and war reparations
What about holding plebiscites in Austria and the Sudetenland?

Also, in such a scenario, the war is likely to go on. I certainly can't see Goering accepting such draconian conditions. Now, the crucial question is whether he would still implement the "Manstein Plan" like Hitler did in real life.
 

pugsville

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What about holding plebiscites in Austria and the Sudetenland?

Also, in such a scenario, the war is likely to go on. I certainly can't see Goering accepting such draconian conditions. Now, the crucial question is whether he would still implement the "Manstein Plan" like Hitler did in real life.
Well I did say no there was no chance of a comprimse peace.

The thing that going to war is a pretty big thing in a western Democracy at the time, teh geraing up politically could not just be turned on and off at will. teh Western powers had bent over backwards to find peacefull solutions, germnay had invaded it;s neighbours one after the other, Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland. So the Western Allies arer to just foegt it let bygones be bygones and let germany keep soem it;s ill gotten invasion gains? And if germany starts misbehaving again, what then? How is teh public going to take being geared up for war again? It;s just not politically doable to just trun on and off the war machine.

So once the machine is turned on, substantial victory, absolute surety of settlement, that any deal is lasting is required.

It;s 1918 in some respects, once an amrmstice was agreed they woudl be massive pressure to bring the boys home. Teh finaial and war machine oince it strats being switched off cannot just be ramped up again by turning on a switch. That's why the demand and consition sof teh 1918 armistice were so rigourous and no subject to any negotiation.

If Germany emerged stronger and still armed to the teeth in 1940, and the Allies are going to just trust Goring or something? The Allies simply cannot afford to turn their war machine off without some sort of settelement because it would be so diffacult to turn on again.
 
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betgo

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Germany might have won the war with Goring. At least eventually made peace with Britain while controlling a big portion of Europe.
 
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WW2 wasn't just about German expansion because of Hitler, it was about Germany as a whole and how others perceived it, feared it. Many contemporary political figures believed (correctly) that a large part of the problem with Germany resided in its militarized culture coupled with a strong desire for expansion. Any Germany no longer constrained by the Versailles Treaty was a threat, whether it was controlled by Hitler, Goerring, or another Nazi official.

WW2 was going to happen eventually, Germany needed to be defanged.