My propisal was for Germany to allow the Western Allies a clear path to Berlin and then offering surrender. This stops the Soviet Uniin from attacking further West as these territories would now be occupied by US, Britush etc troops.What would have stopped the Vistula-Oder Offensive?
The officers involved in the 20 July Plot wanted to overthrow the Nazis. They weren't trying to surrender, they believed a limited peace, essentially a cease fire, was possible, but only with Hitler and the other Nazi leaders gone. They were delusional in not only their hope for a conditional cease fire with anyone, let alone the Western Allies, but also in the fact that their plan was infantile in its foolish assumptions. But at least they tried to overthrow the Nazis, which is much more then the rest of the officer corps did, who themselves, and not Hitler or the Nazis, rounded up and executed the conspirators in the very publicized honor court, led by some of the most famous surviving German generals, all trying to show their utter loyalty to Hitler by personally being responsible for the purge of disloyal officers.When you say German officers, several officers were executed for the July 1944 attempted coup and assassination. Clearly those officers wanted to make peace at least on the western front. Also, it was the Allies who insisted on unconditional surrender, which encouraged fighting to the bitter end.
It was not going to happen that way, it was completely and utterly against the thinking of the German officer corps, who wanted to keep fighting up to the very end and only thought of surrender and the occupation of their country when they realized all was completely and utterly lost, which was about the time their borders had been violated by tens of millions of enemy troops. In December 1944, it was not on the table, it was not something they would allow, and they didn't even think it would be a possibility until the Soviets and Western Allies both broke through to traditional German borders in January 1945, which was something they were in denial of (not just Hitler).My propisal was for Germany to allow the Western Allies a clear path to Berlin and then offering surrender. This stops the Soviet Uniin from attacking further West as these territories would now be occupied by US, Britush etc troops.
No, it doesn't. Nothing was going to stop the USSR, they were already planning the Vistula-Oder Offensive and if you read up on it, you will see what the Soviet did and how poorly the Germans responded, how utterly ineffectually, how impossible it would have been possible for Germany to stop it. It absolutely was not possible.By surrendering to the Western Allies it allows what's left of Germany -which at this time is still substantial - to survive, and prevents the Soviet Union from acquiring most of Eastern Europe and half of Germany.
It wouldn't have stopped the war. First, it was already decided previously how Germany was going to be carved up post war. Second, no surrender done by the US and UK would have been accepted by the USSR, as it would have violated previous agreements. At that point, it was Berlin or bust, and they weren't going to lose.Of course Stalin may be infuriated that Germany has surrendered to Britain and the US before he has had time to occupy any further territory, but by continuing to invade further West he would risk confrontation with US/British troops now occupying those territories.
And negative view of the future of the war stop anything? No. After the Ardenne Offensive failed and Army Group B pulled back, shattered, and the best forces of OB West, 6th Panzer Army, were sent to the Eastern Front to attempt to curb the effects of new Red Army offensives (which they failed miserably), did the German soldiers of OB West give up? Absolutely not. Jan-March 1945 were some of the bloodiest months of the war and it wasn't until Army Group B was encirled and destroyed in the massive Ruhr Pocket in APRIL did resistance start truly crumbling. But it wasn't crumbling because Germans wanted to surrender to the Amis and not the Asian Horde Bolsheviks. It was because there was nothing to replace even the shadow of Army Group B after it disappeared, it was the only thing left west of Berlin that could stop the Western Allies, besides the Volkstrum, essentially SS controlled militia, not even worth being called a fighting force, who would contest towns under Nazi orders, resulting in the US Army policy to drive into a town, and if they were resisted they'd drop artillery on the town to largely level it while mobile forces bypassed it.Like you said , in 1944 Germany would have been unlikely to surrender, but they must have known the writing was on the wall and that Western troops would get to Germany before the Red Army.
Cool map. it shows sectors, you can see 6th Panzer Army in the Northern sector was the main effort, tasked with Antwerp, and made the worst progress despite priorities of fires and logistical support.I have a hard time imagining a German victory with the Ardennes Offensive. A glance at a map shows how far from Antwerp they were when the offensive was halted. The lack of air power alone would make Antwerp a virtually impossible objective. If they got there, the considerable reserves the allies could bring up would have cut them off and retaken the port.
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