If Nazi Germany wins WWII and later becomes a democracy, what is it going to do with its Lebensraum?

Futurist

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May 2014
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If Nazi Germany wins WWII (for instance, by having Britain makes peace in 1940 and by defeating the USSR in 1941-1942--thus pushing the USSR east of the Urals) and becomes a democracy sometime after Hitler's death, what exactly is it going to do with its vast Lebensraum--primarily in the East?

I'm assuming that millions or tens of millions of Slavs are going to get deported east of the Urals while Nazi Germany is still a dictatorship (though I suppose that some Slavs--such as Poles--could end up elsewhere--such as in Latin America if the countries there will accept them). However, is Germany actually going to allow all of these Slavs to return to Eastern Europe after Germany becomes a democracy?

Any thoughts on this?
 
Apr 2017
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#2
Nazi Germany wouldn't just expel millions of slavs, they would kill them. The death camps weren't just for jews.
As for what Germany would do with the conquered territory if it became a democracy, it depends when this happens. 1950? 1990? The year makes a significant difference. Also depends what kind of democracy it is. Is it Russian style authoritarian or European liberal?
Of note, there is an alternate history novel where the Nazis conquered the world and fifty years later eventually broke up like the Soviet union did. The book is In the Presence of Mine Enemies, by Harry Turtledove.
 

Rodger

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Jun 2014
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When the communist regime fell in the USSR, we saw republics break away. perhaps a similar situation would have arose?
 

Chlodio

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Democracies are infinitely flexible. Germany could have found a way to keep the territory while denying political rights to subject peoples. Washington DC was created by the founders with the intention of denying full rights of citizenship to the people who lived there. To this day DC still does not have full or equal representation in Congress. When the US annexed Texas in 1845, Congress carved out New Mexico territory specifically to deny equal rights to the people of Albuquerque and Santa Fe. Utah Territory was denied statehood for at least ten years because of that polygamy thing. Another possibility is to make the Lebensraum something like an Indian reservation. Some Indians were denied the right to vote until 1957. Until 1924 Indians were not citizens and could not legally leave their reservations in most circumstances. Before they became citizens Indians were officially wards of the state with a status similar to orphans, prisoners, and insane asylum inmates. As late as 1968 there was still a need for an Indian Civil Rights Act.
 

Futurist

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Democracies are infinitely flexible. Germany could have found a way to keep the territory while denying political rights to subject peoples. Washington DC was created by the founders with the intention of denying full rights of citizenship to the people who lived there. To this day DC still does not have full or equal representation in Congress. When the US annexed Texas in 1845, Congress carved out New Mexico territory specifically to deny equal rights to the people of Albuquerque and Santa Fe. Utah Territory was denied statehood for at least ten years because of that polygamy thing. Another possibility is to make the Lebensraum something like an Indian reservation. Some Indians were denied the right to vote until 1957. Until 1924 Indians were not citizens and could not legally leave their reservations in most circumstances. Before they became citizens Indians were officially wards of the state with a status similar to orphans, prisoners, and insane asylum inmates. As late as 1968 there was still a need for an Indian Civil Rights Act.
The U.S. had an advantage in the sense that it had millions of willing White settlers which it could send into formerly Mexican and Indian territories, though. Nazi Germany didn't have that.

What's Germany going to do--import millions of Chinese people to settle its vast Lebensraum?
 

Futurist

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#10
When the communist regime fell in the USSR, we saw republics break away. perhaps a similar situation would have arose?
The Soviet Union didn't engage in ethnic cleansing on the scale that a victorious Nazi Germany would have, though. Yes, it did deport some ethnic groups, but they were generally small groups and weren't the titular nationality of any of the republics of the Soviet Union.
 

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