If Saddam would have defeated the 2003 coalition invasion of Iraq

Aug 2015
30
Earth
Big what if here I know, but if the Iraqi army had been better equipped, trained, led, etc. etc. and Saddam didn't alienate the Shia (assuming there was a general equality between the 2 branches (Shia/Sunni - also big what if), and ultimately beat the coalition in the first months of the 2003 invasion, how might the allies be perceived by their regional (Iran) and global (Russia, China) enemies? How far down the rabbit hole would the allies go, if they were suffering thousands of causalities in the initial weeks/months? - not to mention the public opinion war.
 

GogLais

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Sep 2013
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Wirral
Big what if here I know, but if the Iraqi army had been better equipped, trained, led, etc. etc. and Saddam didn't alienate the Shia (assuming there was a general equality between the 2 branches (Shia/Sunni - also big what if), and ultimately beat the coalition in the first months of the 2003 invasion, how might the allies be perceived by their regional (Iran) and global (Russia, China) enemies? How far down the rabbit hole would the allies go, if they were suffering thousands of causalities in the initial weeks/months? - not to mention the public opinion war.
I've no idea of the political repercussions (other than catastrophic I imagine) but I do wonder whether the West could now accept casualties on the lines of WW2 unless its very existence were at stake.
 

kazeuma

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Jun 2012
2,370
There would probably a second invasion - to avenge the losses, maybe even a talk about using the DRAFT to replenish the US military.
 

funakison

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Oct 2012
5,381
Between a rock and a hard place
Big what if here I know, but if the Iraqi army had been better equipped, trained, led, etc. etc. and Saddam didn't alienate the Shia (assuming there was a general equality between the 2 branches (Shia/Sunni - also big what if), and ultimately beat the coalition in the first months of the 2003 invasion, how might the allies be perceived by their regional (Iran) and global (Russia, China) enemies? How far down the rabbit hole would the allies go, if they were suffering thousands of causalities in the initial weeks/months? - not to mention the public opinion war.
In such a scenario i cannot see either Bush or Blair surviving in office long.
 
Aug 2015
30
Earth
Would China see it in their interests to launch the pacific expansion, knowing the recent limitations of US fighting on 2 fronts at same time? My point being, would China see this as their opening to make incursions into Vietnam or islands in the South China Sea...?
 

Futurist

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May 2014
21,710
SoCal
I've no idea of the political repercussions (other than catastrophic I imagine) but I do wonder whether the West could now accept casualties on the lines of WW2 unless its very existence were at stake.
What about throwing several nukes on Baghdad, though?
 

Futurist

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May 2014
21,710
SoCal
Would China see it in their interests to launch the pacific expansion, knowing the recent limitations of US fighting on 2 fronts at same time? My point being, would China see this as their opening to make incursions into Vietnam or islands in the South China Sea...?
What exactly would China have wanted in Vietnam back in 2003, though?