If the USSR wasn't such a bad thing, then why did it collapse?

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And why don't Russians bring it back?

Some people over on my other thread said that those bad things I mentioned were during Stalin's regime and that the USSR had all sorts of good things as well and that that I was fed Western propaganda and the USSR wasn't really all that bad.......
 
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Futurist

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#3
And why don't Russians bring it back?
They're trying. ;)

Some people over on my other thread said that those bad things I mentioned were during Stalin's regime and that the USSR had all sorts of good things as well and that that I was fed Western propaganda and the USSR wasn't really all that bad.......
Life in the USSR might have genuinely been better than what occurred in the 1990s. Since that point in time, though, things have been gradually getting better.
 
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And why don't Russians bring it back?

Some people over on my other thread said that those bad things I mentioned were during Stalin's regime and that the USSR had all sorts of good things as well and that that I was fed Western propaganda and the USSR wasn't really all that bad.......
"It was all the capitalists' fault!"
And the traitors within, of course.
 

macon

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#5
And why don't Russians bring it back?

Some people over on my other thread said that those bad things I mentioned were during Stalin's regime and that the USSR had all sorts of good things as well and that that I was fed Western propaganda and the USSR wasn't really all that bad.......
Wasted socialist economy although they were still maintaining a technology level before digital revolution. Computers disposed off socialism on a world level.
 

Belgarion

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Jul 2011
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#6
The system collapsed because it was unsustainable. Advances in technology gave access to more information and a greater ability to communicate to the average citizen, and most importantly the vast sums spent on trying to catch up to and/or keep pace with the US and the west in military technology and equipment led to the USSR's collapse.
And don't forget that the USSR was a bad thing. Even if there was almost full employment and pensions for the workers on retirement ( the things that the older people really miss about the USSR) these are outweighed by things like the lack of political freedom, freedom of movement and association and the often dire penalties for non compliance or criticism.
 
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Oct 2012
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The system collapsed because it was unsustainable. Advances in technology gave access to more information and a greater ability to communicate to the average citizen, and most importantly the vast sums spent on trying to catch up to and/or keep pace with the US and the west in military technology and equipment led to the USSR's collapse.
And don't forget that the USSR was a bad thing. Even if there was almost full employment and pensions for the workers on retirement ( the things that the older people really miss about the USSR) these are outweighed by things like the lack of political freedom, freedom of movement and association and the often dire penalties for non compliance or criticism.
That`s right. The claim of USSR apologists, how things were better then is akin to "the slaves were better off before the emancipation".
 

macon

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Aug 2015
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The system collapsed because it was unsustainable. Advances in technology gave access to more information and a greater ability to communicate to the average citizen, and most importantly the vast sums spent on trying to catch up to and/or keep pace with the US and the west in military technology and equipment led to the USSR's collapse.
And don't forget that the USSR was a bad thing. Even if there was almost full employment and pensions for the workers on retirement ( the things that the older people really miss about the USSR) these are outweighed by things like the lack of political freedom, freedom of movement and association and the often dire penalties for non compliance or criticism.
Free babbling is overpriced. Economy is the most important, important is to delegate competent people to positions. Ask Chinese. I'm for technocracy, a rule of experts.

USA got it right. Democratic elections there are a joke with two parties who are different only in details, everything else is a vulgar show. This way elites keep idiots in their place because idiots must not decide about governmental issues they are not able to grasp. In my opinion only taxpayers should be allowed to vote and many positions should be filled by a draw from voters.
 

athena

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USSR was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. It was created only in 1922. There were 15 Soviet Republic by 1985. Russia needs to conquer all of 14 post-Soviet Republics to bring back Soviet Union or they must willingly join Russia. However, there won't be USSR even if modern Russia conquers all of it's neighbors.

Now RSFSR is a different matter. RSFSR was Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic and one of the Republics of USSR. It would require big societal and economical changes for modern Russia to become RSFSR again.

If RSFSR somehow emerges and then gains control of all other Republics, then USSR will return.
That`s right. The claim of USSR apologists, how things were better then is akin to "the slaves were better off before the emancipation".
I'm pretty sure that you've never lived through the 1990's and early 2000's.
 
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