If Turkey enters WWII on the Axis side and subsequently loses the war, how much territory is it going to lose?

Futurist

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If Turkey enters WWII on the Axis side and subsequently loses the war together with the rest of the Axis, how much territory is it going to lose?

It's an interesting question because while Germany heavily suffered for its participation in WWII, Italy, Japan, Hungary, Romania, and Bulgaria got off pretty lightly territorially-wise--though the latter three did have to endure decades of Communist rule afterwards. Thus, I'm wondering what kind of treatment an Axis Turkey is going to get after the end of WWII. Is Turkey going to maintain its independence after WWII or become a Soviet satellite state? Also, which territories are the victorious Allies going to strip from Turkey after the end of WWII--and who is going to get what?

FWIW, there were large Christian minorities in some parts of Turkey as late as the early 20th century:



Granted, a lot of these minorities (especially the Greeks and Armenians) got ethnically cleansed as a result of WWI and its aftermath, but in spite of this, their historical presence in these territories could motivate Greece and/or the Soviet Union to make claims to some or all of these territories after the end of WWII in this scenario.

Anyway, any thoughts on this?
 

stevev

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For a time Greece was Britain's sole ally on the continent in WW2 (from the fall France to the German invasion of the USSR) so it might have backed the return of Constantinople to Greece. It depends on how much trouble Turkey caused for Britain. The USSR might want to annex some land in the east of Turkey and expand Soviet Armenia.
 

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For a time Greece was Britain's sole ally on the continent in WW2 (from the fall France to the German invasion of the USSR) so it might have backed the return of Constantinople to Greece. It depends on how much trouble Turkey caused for Britain. The USSR might want to annex some land in the east of Turkey and expand Soviet Armenia.
Syria would get Hatay back, no?

Also, might Greece be interested in Smyrna as well?
 

Isoroku295

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Turkey? Oh, you mean Oriental Greece?

Perhaps extreme, but at the least Greece is getting Constantinople back, and possible some beachfront Anatolia.
 
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Futurist

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Turkey? Oh, you mean Oriental Greece?

Perhaps extreme, but at the least Greece is getting Constantinople back, and possible some beachfront Anatolia.
So, Greece gets all of the coastline from Zonguldak to Antalya (while expelling the Turks living there en masse) while the USSR expands all of the way up to Sinop, Malatya, and Diyarbakir while Syria acquires Hatay and perhaps Adana and/or Mersin as well? If so, Turkey's gonna get rekt!

 

Futurist

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Of course, I do wonder if Turkey getting the German treatment is a bit harsh considering that neither Italy nor Japan actually get the German treatment in regards to post-WWII territorial losses in real life.
 

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In the percentages agreement between Churchill and Stalin under which British Empire and Soviet Union agreed to divide Europe into spheres of influence the British got 90% of Greece, because i read Churchill didnt want any soviet puppet state with a coastline on the Mediterranean sea. In the case of Turkish involvement into WWII on the side of the Axis most probably it would become a USSR satellite and soviets would rule indirectly the Second Rome and the Straits, which quite ironically was the centuries old dream of an empire they destroyed.
 
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In the percentages agreement between Churchill and Stalin under which British Empire and Soviet Union agreed to divide Europe into spheres of influence the British got 90% of Greece, because i read Churchill didnt want any soviet puppet state with a coastline on the Mediterranean sea. In the case of Turkish involvement into WWII on the side of the Axis most probably it would become a USSR satellite and soviets would rule indirectly the Second Rome and the Straits, which quite ironically was the centuries old dream of an empire they destroyed.
How much expansion do you think the USSR, Greece, and Syria are going to engage in at Turkey's expense after WWII in such a scenario?