In which countries that subsequently became independent was there a lot of support for colonialism among the natives up to the very end?

Futurist

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Not large enough a population, not developed enough and Indonesia demanded the entire colony be one state.
How many people did they have?

Some Hungarian revolution leaders would have preferred to fight for true independence, rather than be the toadies of their oppressors.
They did fight in 1848-1849 and lost to the Austro-Russians, no?

Had FF survived in 1914 and became Emperor, the Hungarians could have tried again in 1917--and maybe this time they could actually be lucky enough to have Russia support rather than oppose them. Of course, a lot might depend on whether France would have given Russia its approval in regards to such a move.
 
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#82
How many people did they have?



They did fight in 1848-1849 and lost to the Austro-Russians, no?

Had FF survived in 1914 and became Emperor, the Hungarians could have tried again in 1917--and maybe this time they could actually be lucky enough to have Russia support rather than oppose them. Of course, a lot might depend on whether France would have given Russia its approval in regards to such a move.
Not sure exactly, but I believe at the end of ww2 it was a little over .5 million.
Yes, as did many other peoples. The point is many revolution leaders saw it as a betrayal of everything they fought for.
 
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Tulius

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May 2016
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If so, why didn't they invite the Portuguese back after they acquired independence? Or would Indonesia have not tolerated this?
I meant after 2002.
Robto already answered. But if you mean back, as colonizers, why should the Timorese what the Portuguese back now that they are independent from Indonesia and Portugal? They needed Portugal political support when they were under Indonesia’s domain.

Even so there are strong ties. Timor is a member of the CPLP. Portuguese is the co-official language. There are students programs for Timorese in Portugal and for Portuguese teachers in Timor. Many Portuguese companies are investing in Timor, including GALP in the oil business. There are cooperation in Police and defence matters (Portuguese PSP and GNR agents work or worked in Timor), etc…
 
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Futurist

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Portugal gave up the claims to her colonies after the Carnation revolution. It was their own good. Holding on the colonies after the World War 2 had a huge cost for Portuguese economy particularly from Angola and Mozambique.
Did those two colonies require a lot of subsidies?
 

Tulius

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May 2016
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#86
Portugal gave up the claims to her colonies after the Carnation revolution. It was their own good. Holding on the colonies after the World War 2 had a huge cost for Portuguese economy particularly from Angola and Mozambique.
Did those two colonies require a lot of subsidies?
No. And holding the colonies wasn’t that much costly until the beginning of the colonial war.

But with the beginning of the colonial war huge inversions were made, both in Angola and Mozambique, but not only. And the economy of those territories saw a considerable boost in the decades of 60 and 70. And with the decolonization some white elephants persisted, as the case of huge investment in the dam of Cabora Bassa that still today exports much electricity to South Africa: Cahora Bassa Dam - Wikipedia

What was terribly costly was to maintain an army of more than 300.000 men in Africa for more than a decade. For instance, if we compare the Portuguese human involvement in the colonial war, for a population of almost 10 million people, to the contemporary USA involvement in Vietnam, for a population of more of 200 million, that we can see that there was a completely different effort in the war. For Portugal it was almost a Total War. Several generations were involved with massive human and material costs and with the impossibility to use NATO material (due to the USA imposition and initial support of UPA) to a country that almost didn’t had at the time arms industry.
 
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This is going back a bit but I suppose that, in the 5th century, the British authors of "The Groans of the Britons", sent to the Roman general Aetius, asking for military support, because "The barbarians drive us to the sea and the sea drives us back to the barbarians", did want Britain to remain a colony of Rome.
 

martin76

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Often population prefer to remain under European Power that become independent.... in Cuba and Puerto Rico in 1898, in Algeria in 1962 or in Angola and Mozambique in 1975...Pro-Independence groups are often a minority that uses violence and seeks international support to create problems for the sovereign country.