In your opinion, what were the greatest Middle Eastern Empires ever?

Mar 2016
1,079
Australia
#2
Hard to say what the greatest was, since there are so many different factors that contribute to one being great, and it's entirely subjective. In terms of sheer geographical size, then the Umayyad Caliphate would be the greatest, followed by the Achaemenid Persian Empire and the Seljuk Empire. From a cultural and intellectual perspective, it could be argued that the Abbasids and Fatimids were the greatest since their time in power saw a flourishing of science and cultural achievements. Or finally, in terms of longevity and military acumen, the Ottomans are a worthy contender. Since deciding what is "greatest" is so difficult, I'm going going to go with my personal favourite, which is the Ottoman Empire. I find Early Modern empires to generally be more interesting than medieval empires.
 
Apr 2019
67
United States
#3
Hard to say what the greatest was, since there are so many different factors that contribute to one being great, and it's entirely subjective. In terms of sheer geographical size, then the Umayyad Caliphate would be the greatest, followed by the Achaemenid Persian Empire and the Seljuk Empire. From a cultural and intellectual perspective, it could be argued that the Abbasids and Fatimids were the greatest since their time in power saw a flourishing of science and cultural achievements. Or finally, in terms of longevity and military acumen, the Ottomans are a worthy contender. Since deciding what is "greatest" is so difficult, I'm going going to go with my personal favourite, which is the Ottoman Empire. I find Early Modern empires to generally be more interesting than medieval mpires.
I definitely agree with the Ottomans as number one but feel like the Umayyads shouldn't be top 3 since their age was only really only a Golden Age in military and nothing else
 
#6
Here would be my top 3:
1. The Ottoman Empire
2. The Abbasid Caliphate
3. Achaemenid Persia
Good shout but notable mentions to Assyrian Empire, Ummayad Caliphate and the Sassanid Persians, Parthians too, they managed to halt the Romans in their pomp in open battle, few enemies managed that when Rome was in its prime.

The Mamluke Sultanate kicked out the Crusaders and defeated a Mongol army, again a feat not done prior in that manor.

Toughness - Mamluke Sultanate

First Super power - Assyrians

Greatest Empire - Ottomans / Abbasid's
 
Apr 2019
67
United States
#7
Good shout but notable mentions to Assyrian Empire, Ummayad Caliphate and the Sassanid Persians, Parthians too, they managed to halt the Romans in their pomp in open battle, few enemies managed that when Rome was in its prime.

The Mamluke Sultanate kicked out the Crusaders and defeated a Mongol army, again a feat not done prior in that manor.

Toughness - Mamluke Sultanate

First Super power - Assyrians

Greatest Empire - Ottomans / Abbasid's
Agreed but the Mongols only attacked the Mamluks with 15000 guys. The main force had left and this was a small raiding group. But everything else I completely agree with
 
#10
Agreed but the Mongols only attacked the Mamluks with 15000 guys. The main force had left and this was a small raiding group. But everything else I completely agree with
Just to note the mamluk army wasn't big itself.

Records say there were around 15,000 Mamlukes and that would of been them with their Egyptian Jund contingent who were not top tier warriors but merely normal soldiers while the Mongols had around 12,000.

Give or take on the numbers the Mamlukes did have more but not enough to roll over the Mongols, the Mamlukes won because this was the first time the Mongols had come up against Horsemen superior to themselves and where the Mongols didn't have superiority in numbers.

The Mamluks were royally trained to be the best Cavalry in the world, they mixed Arabian Faris horsemanship who specialised in lance and sword with their native inherited Turcoman and Kipchack mounted bow warfare.

The Mamluks were rarely if ever bested.

I may worry for the mamluks in a large scale open field battle of pure mamluk horseman vs a Mongol horde as the one thing the Mongols could not be contended with is horde tactics and making adjustments during battle, but in a more contained setting, Mamluks are superior.
 

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