Indira Gandhi

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Also from Indira's time - Abolition of privy purses and nationalization of banks.
India was a closed socialist economy but Indira sent it further to the left,. For many years I bought chemicals from a family owned company based in Mumbai but which previously had owned considerable coal mines in the Calcutta region. According to the family, one day the military walked in demanded the keys and that was that. They claimed that loss of the company broke the father who died shortly after.

Still they must have retain a bit of cash because they were doing very in the chemical business and had branched out into agricultural and horticulture production.
 
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I have read the Biography of Indra Gandhi by Pupul Jayakar and also by Kathrine Frank ----Pupul had been a very close confidant of Indra Gandhi and a family friend of Nehru dynasty for 3 generations --Hence her book is very insightful and thought provoking but slightly biased I guess ! She also wrote a book about Jiddu Krishamurthi--Incidently to my greatest suprise Indra Gandhi had sought a "Private audience" with JK once !!
Kathrine Frank's account is well balanced in my opinion however some consder it contraversial !
It is not easy to find the real Indira Gandhi under the halo which surrounds her. So, if you put your thesis online, please post a link here.

Pupul Jayakar:

Pupul Jayakar's family and Nehru family were friends for four generations. She was of same age as Indira Gandhi (2 years elder to latter) and was friend of Indira. Pupul was an accomplished & competent lady and her rise in Indian hierarchy was parallel to Nehru family being in power. In biography (1992) by Pupul, it is likely that you will hear only positive things about Indira but also many authentic personal details which you may not get elsewhere. Any criticism of Indira by Pupul would have amounted to being ungrateful & a traitor, so for otherside of Indira, you need to look elsewhere.

Nayantara Sehgal:

She is the one you can read to balance the account given by Pupul Jayakar. Nayantara was Indira's cousin sister [1] and must have known things far more personal things than Pupul. Nayantara was also accomplished but independent minded and fell out with Indira Gandhi. She wrote two books: Indira Gandhi's Emergence and Style (1978) and Indira Gandhi: Her Road to Power (novel; 1982).

Sagarika Ghose:

Sagarika Ghose was a bright student but she did not personally know Indira like the above authors. So the biography is not based on first-hand experience. Sagarika's father was an IAS officer (1960-1996) and could have provided some insights about Indira to her. In fact a few people claim that Sagarika's rise in career is linked to her father's position who was Director General of Doordarshan - India's first TV channel which belongs to Government and was the only TV channel for many years.

Sagaraika has a proven case of lack of journalistic ethics. Read at [2]. It shows her as a person who is capable of bluffing on a national TV channel in order to promote her personal views and/or show others in negative light.

In short, to understand Indira Gandhi as a person, try to read both - Pupul and Nayantara - which together will give a balanced picture. As to the third author, personally I dislike people who have doubtful antecedents.

References:

[1] Nayantara was daughter of Nehru's real sister (Vijay Lakshmi Pandit). If you are an Indian, you may know how close families are. Nayantara was Indira's "Bhua"-'s daughter.
[2] Sagarika Ghose - Wikipedia
 
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Aupmanyav

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Sagarika Ghose is an immature (in my opinion), pseudo-socialist writer, will always support Congress and be critical of RSS and BJP. And may be, being that, will get some foreign journalistic awards like Ravish Kumar of NDTV getting Megsaysay award.
 
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Sagarika Ghose is an immature (in my opinion), pseudo-socialist writer, will always support Congress and be critical of RSS and BJP. And may be, being that, will get some foreign journalistic awards like Ravish Kumar of NDTV getting Megsaysay award.
Well Kejri also got same award and Satyarthi got Nobel so you can guess what kind of standards are required to get pop awards.
I can't stand Ravish or NDTV.
Do most of Indian media groups have commie connections?
Sagarika is married to Rajdeep. Prannoy is related to Suzzana Arundhati and Brinda Karat.
 

Aupmanyav

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Well, one US vice president got it for peace, Solzhenitsyn for it for literature. There have been many cases when either the prize is given to people who hardly deserved it or because they were opposing governments which were not popular with Western nations. Ravish is a death song singer (Marsiya in Urdu). You would never hear any good news from Ravish or NDTV. Indiahn government also routinely did this. That is why personal surgeons and physicians of politicians in power in Congress regime got the most number of Padma-Shrees and Padma-Bhushans. Actor Manoj Kuamar was not a Congress favorite. Yeah, many have commie and pseudo-socialist connections.
 

rvsakhadeo

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Indira Gandhi was a daring and resolute leader. Her handling of the liberation of East Bengal and the creation of Bangladesh was most remarkable. But in 1975, she was guilty of many dictatorial measures and she paid for them in her electoral defeat in 1977.She might not have handled the insurgency of the Sikhs effectively. Bhindranwale, the Sikh leader of the insurgency, was allowed too much freedom to camp along with heavily armed followers in the holy premises of the Golden Temple, Amritsar, Punjab, when he ought to have been arrested much earlier.She might also have been overconfident in respect of her personal safety, though warned by her close aides about her continuing to employ Sikh armed guards. A great life in the service of the nation brought to a cruel close.
 
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Yeah, she was superstitious, but not 'religious' or as you mention, 'deeply religious'. She was from a political family, who would use religion if it benefited them.
Only three things survive from Indira's time - Bangladesh, Emergency and Sikh riots. And if you talk of jokes, then 'Garibi Hatao'.
I didn't say she was 'spiritual' though. 'Religiouness' and 'superstitiousness' are interrelated. She probably didn't get healthy emotional support in her tender age.
Her later 'Iron Lady' avatar successfully camouflaged her susceptibility.

You've forgotten her 'fourth' and most important legacy - 'THE HOLY DYNASTY'
 
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Hello Kamayani, My impression was that Dhirendra Brahmachari was Indira's Yoga teacher. May be he was more. Are you aware of any details of their relationship from first hand accounts?
Did you say first hand account?
How can I have one when she died years before I was born?
Ha ha ha
But I've come across a few second hand accounts.
Disclaimer : You are adviced to take it with a grain of salt.
A couple of years ago I had the privilege of getting briefly acquainted with a great-grandsire of Indian politics who used to work behind the scene. He was friend of Mr Vajpayee in his youth and probably would have been a giant on his own if not for sudden disinclination he felt due to rampant corruption. He left active politics forever and lived a simple life but continued to be political adviser for many famous leaders regardless of which party they belonged to. He was considered a respectable man in the political circle.
I've heard many intresting tidbits about Indian politics from him including about Indira Gandhi. According to him all of hanky-panky rumours about indira were false. She was genuinely devoted to Dheerendra Brahmachari as a pupil nothing more. Although DB is suspected to have used this connection for fulfilling ulterior motives.
 
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Aupmanyav

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She probably didn't get healthy emotional support in her tender age. Her later 'Iron Lady' avatar successfully camouflaged her susceptibility. You've forgotten her 'fourth' and most important legacy - 'THE HOLY DYNASTY'
I think you are right. That probably explains her relations with Dhirendra Brahmachari. Like the person you have written about I too do not think the relationship to be other than that of a Guru and pupil.
 
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Did you say first hand account?
How can I have one when she died years before I was born?
Ha ha ha
But I've come across a few second hand accounts.
Disclaimer : You are adviced to take it with a grain of salt.
A couple of years ago I had the privilege of getting briefly acquainted with a great-grandsire of Indian politics who used to work behind the scene. He was friend of Mr Vajpayee in his youth and probably would have been a giant on his own if not for sudden disinclination he felt due to rampant corruption. He left active politics forever and lived a simple life but continued to be political adviser for many famous leaders regardless of which party they belonged to. He was considered a respectable man in the political circle.
I've heard many intresting tidbits about Indian politics from him including about Indira Gandhi. According to him all of hanky-panky rumours about indira were false. She was genuinely devoted to Dheerendra Brahmachari as a pupil nothing more. Although DB is suspected to have used this connection for fulfilling ulterior motives.
Thanks for sharing. This is exactly what I meant by 'first hand'. I guess, the more appropriate phrase would have been 'from personal knowledge'. In present-day political milieu, such statements reveal far more than a through research could. And I will give an example.

About 25 years back, I asked the wife of my colleague as to why she left UP politics when she held a senior position in the party hierarchy. She replied which got filed somewhere in back of the mind. Twenty years later (in 2014), a court case supported what she had told me many years back [1].

Of course, we can't write history based on such personal memories, but they have a role when dealing with events of last 50 years or so.

[1] See under Paternity Suit in Wiki article on NDT.