Indo-persian, why this definition not extended to ''Persia''?

Mar 2019
1,463
KL
#31
Your post doesn't have anything on legal/judicial system in pre-Islamic India.
i stated that comparisons must be made not only on statecraft but everything else, which would naturally mean that this is an arena which needs to be researched. i have personal experience with indologists who are not equipped with pre islamic data, they dont know them. if you ask them any pre islamic info they would spew rubbish and would exhibit their ignorance.

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Mar 2019
1,463
KL
#32
One of the most important ways of categorizing a civilization is by onomastics (the study of the history and use of proper names). The names that parents give to their children, as well as the names or titles that adults may adopt for themselves, tell us a lot about how people perceive themselves. In my opinion, this is far more significant than Islamic rulers adopting some minor aspects of Indian material culture like art, dress, and architecture (though even there, the foreign influences are far more pronounced than local Indian influences). Below is a list of rulers of the Delhi Sultanate up to the end of the Tughluq dynasty, in which I have highlighted Arabic names/titles in orange, Persian names/titles in green, and Turkic names/titles in red. Notice the total absence of any Indic name or title:

1. Qutbuddin Aibak
2. Aram Shah
3. Iltutmish
4. Ruknuddin Firuz
5. Razia Sultana
6. Muizuddin Bahram
7. Alauddin Masud
8. Nasiruddin Mahmud
9. Ghiyasuddin Balban
10. Muizuddin Kaiqubad
11. Jalaluddin Firuz Khalji
12. Alauddin Khalji (born Ali Garshasp)
13.
Shihabuddin Omar
14. Qutbuddin Mubarak Shah
15. Khosrow Khan
16. Ghiyasuddin Tughluq
17. Muhammad bin Tughluq (aka Ulugh Khan)
18.
Firuz Shah Tughluq
19. Tughluq Khan
20. Abu Bakr Shah
21. Nasiruddin Muhammad Shah
22. Alauddin Sikandar Shah (born Humayun Khan; "Sikandar" is a Persian rendering of Greek "Alexander")
23.
Nasiruddin Mahmud Shah
mate read about barmakid family and how they served at high official posts in abbasid empire, does the name having origins in sanskrit anything to do with them indianizing the abbasid empire?

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Aupmanyav

Ad Honorem
Jun 2014
5,396
New Delhi, India
#36
@civfanatic
"Rana, Rai, Rao, Raja, Khan, Chaudhry, Khanzada are titles often used by Rajput Muslims. Some Muslim Rajput clans were given imperial titles by the Mughals, such the Jarral Rajputs given the title of Mirza by Shah Jahan and the Tanoli Janjuas of Amb receiving the title of Nawab's of the state. The title of Chaudhry was conferred on the chiefs of the Muslim Minhas Rajputs in Chakwal by the Mughal Emperor Babur and is used by some clans who were conferred this prestigious office. The title of Sultan has been also conferred to some Muslim Rajputs such as the Janjua Sultan of Watli."

"Nehru also mentioned his own personal experience with Muslim Rajputs as he grew up, "I grew to know; the Rajput peasant and petty landholder, still proud of his race and ancestry, even though he might have changed his faith and adopted Islam." More importantly he bears testament to the fact that despite his change of faith, a Rajput is still referred to and recognised as a Rajput." (The Discovery of India, 2004, Penguin, p51)
MUSLIM RAJPUTS HISTORY - ALL RAJPUT YOUTHWING
 
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Mar 2019
1,463
KL
#37
  • Muslim rulers in India built mosques, mausoleums, and other forms of architecture that consciously imitated older Persian architecture, and planned new cities with Persian models in mind. For example, the Adina mosque in Bengal consciously imitated the Sassanian Persian palaces, and the Qutb Shahis in the Deccan imported architects from Iran to plan the city of Hyderabad. On the other hand, there was not a single ruler of Persia who built a mosque or mausoleum that imitated or derived inspiration from an Indian structure, nor was there any Persian ruler in recorded history who imported architects from India into Persia to build a new capital city modeled on an Indian capital.
here you go mate

The cross vault, resulting from the intersection of two barrel vaults at right angles, was not developed. There are no examples of pointed arches built by formal intention, although they occur as a result of building practice in lesser monuments (e.g. Qaṣr-e Šīrīn)
ARCHITECTURE iii. Sasanian Period – Encyclopaedia Iranica

so neither pointed arches were known/ which was atleast known in india or the cross vaults which you describe as persian influence at adina mosque. Qaṣr-e Šīrīn pointed arch is also not really a pointed arch as well.

cross vaulting was infact very well known in india perhaps because there are examples of cross vaulting from burma/bagan temples with pointed arches as well.

sassanian cruciform ground plan in their architecture

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indian cruciform ground plan in their architecture

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Mar 2019
1,463
KL
#40
indian influences or chinese influences?

Mi'raj of the Prophet by Sultan Muhammad, showing Chinese-influenced clouds and angels, 1539-43.[35]

the new court had a galvanising effect on book painting, importing many Chinese works and probably artists, with their long-established tradition of narrative painting
After 1335 the Ilkhanate split into several warring dynasties, all swept aside by the new invasion of Timur from 1381. He established the Timurid dynasty, bringing a fresh wave of Chinese influence
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angkor wat cloud motifs/ narrative sculpture

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feiry halo, tibetan thagka

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flying angels, undavalli caves, AP, india seventh century

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flying angels, chinese buddhist stele

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