Invasion of Poland by Germany and Soviet Russia in 1939

Jul 2016
269
riverside
#1
In September 1939 Berlin and Moscow jointly attacked Poland, starting the World War 2. They split Polish land into two parts and established brutal control including mass executions, deportation, etc.

In addition, the Red Army occupied Western Belarus and Western Ukraine.

It is interesting to note that nowadays vast majority of people believe that the WW2 was started by Germany only... Why is that?



17 September 1939






 
Mar 2018
728
UK
#4
It's not forgotten, I was taught that (in the UK) in school when I was 15.

But France and UK had an ultimatum for Germany to cease the invasion, not for the USSR. The ultimatum was the start of WW2, and it had nothing to do with Russia, so I don't see the problem with the conventional narrative.
 

Chlodio

Ad Honorem
Aug 2016
3,930
Dispargum
#5
If you want to make an argument that other countries besides Germany had a hand in starting WW2, there's a stronger case for Japan invading China. It's doubtful that the Soviets would have invaded Poland alone. The common understanding is that Stalin only took advantage of the German invasion. It was not a coordinated attack. There's a stronger case that Stalin enabled WW2 by signing the Non-Aggression Pact, not by invading Poland. When the Soviets invaded Poland, Poland was already defeated - they just hadn't gotten around to surrendering yet.

What did Buzz Aldrin say when he stepped on the moon?
No one knows - because Neal Armstrong went first.

No one cares that the Soviets invaded Poland because Germany went first.
 
Jul 2016
269
riverside
#6
If you want to make an argument that other countries besides Germany had a hand in starting WW2, there's a stronger case for Japan invading China. It's doubtful that the Soviets would have invaded Poland alone. The common understanding is that Stalin only took advantage of the German invasion. It was not a coordinated attack. There's a stronger case that Stalin enabled WW2 by signing the Non-Aggression Pact, not by invading Poland. When the Soviets invaded Poland, Poland was already defeated - they just hadn't gotten around to surrendering yet.
I do like this response. And I highlighted the most interesting points, especially about the coordinated effort. We need to take a better look into this.

With respect to Japan and China - let's keep it as European History, where the OP was placed.

Also, there were centuries of war action and tensions between Moscow and Warsaw. Recall ~1920 when Soviet Russia fought against Poland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_(1920)

1939-1920 = just 19 years prior to the WW2.

 
Jul 2016
269
riverside
#7
The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, also known as the Nazi–Soviet Pact,[1] the German–Soviet Nonaggression Pact[2][3] or the Nazi German–Soviet Pact of Aggression[4][5][6] (officially: Treaty of Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics),[a] was a neutrality pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed in Moscow on 23 August 1939 by foreign ministers Joachim von Ribbentrop and Vyacheslav Molotov, respectively.[8] The pact was followed by the German–Soviet Commercial Agreement in February 1940.
The pact secretly delineated the spheres of interest between the two powers, confirmed by the supplementary protocol of the German–Soviet Frontier Treaty amended after the joint invasion of Poland. It remained in force for nearly two years, until the German government of Adolf Hitler ended the pact by launching an attack on the Soviet positions in Eastern Poland during Operation Barbarossa on 22 June 1941.[2]



 
Jul 2016
269
riverside
#9
There were no joint atack. USSR enter troops in Poland after Polish government left country.
Are you saying that the Red Army moved in because the real estate property was abandoned?

Like naive "legal" squatters just wondering into other people's territory because it was not under control?

That reminds me the Russian proverb, "snatch everything that isn't nailed down".
 
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Nov 2015
1,750
Kyiv
#10
There were no joint atack. USSR enter troops in Poland after Polish government left country.
- it's not true. Russian invasion started on Sep 17, 1939 very early in the morning. And the Polish government left poland next night - as far as I know, after midnight. The reason for the government's urgent departure from Poland was the Russian invasion, since by the beginning of the invasion it was located near the Russian border. Polish troops fought a few more weeks. The Germans declared their victory in the campaing 6 October 1939
 

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