Is China destined to become a superpower?

heylouis

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Apr 2013
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since the majority chinese students learn a specific western languagne, English
while few west learn either chinese speaking language or its writing.

i am certain, no matter to what degree chinese understand west, that must be more than west understands china.
meanwhile, due to a remaining colonist arrogance, the west barely mentions places like africa, in a manner of equality, chinese have more equal sights on the world, not just a west.
 
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Mar 2012
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Don't worry about us, we are doing great. I am a brahmin, your ancestors used to come here and stole our sanskrit scrolls by seeing those books inside their skins thats how we civilized you.

You can talk as much as you want but we both know that which nation cultureally Conquered with and dominated for 2000+ years.

Before making such a prideful post, remember that India can't match China today at all, other than population the population mass. You guys really have a weird take on nationalism.
 
Dec 2018
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To answer the original question from my own perspective, China is already a superpower, and arguably a colonial one too. What isn't inevitable though, is the oft predicted event of China becoming the dominant hyperpower, similar to the US from 1991-c2010. China has shown that it can rise to the top of the pecking order, then collapse. With China riven with corruption, a racist government intolerant of ethic and linguistic difference and corruption so vast it's probably more chronic than even Russia, there's every chance that China will collapse again. Furthermore, totalitarian governments like China's always run the risk of a calamity, whether it be economic, military or environmental, destroying its legitimacy and leading to its overthrow. What will China do if it falls into deep recession and there are tens of millions of angry unemployed youth from the privileged castes? Or, if it gets onto a skirmish in the South China sea and loses or backs down? Or, what if its environmental degradation poisons the water supplies to cities like Beijing and Shanghai and deaths start to happen? There's also the fact that China is already unstable. We can see evidence of this today, with Taiwan moving closer to independence, Hong Kong in open revolt and the Naziesque measures that are being used in Xinjian to keep people in line.
 

HackneyedScribe

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With China riven with corruption, a racist government intolerant of ethic and linguistic difference and corruption so vast it's probably more chronic than even Russia, there's every chance that China will collapse again..
In terms of the Corruption Perception Index, China currently ranks 87 out of 187 countries. Russia ranks 138th.

This was what songsten an ethnic Tibetan said in this forum:
Subsidies given to average family in my hometown amounts to almost 9000 renminbi per year. Agricultural experts from mainland comes regularly to teach Farmers. Same with the nomads too. Basic food and medicine is subsidised to a certain amount. Money is paid to the parents of Junior school children so that parents will send them to school. Extra marks are given in exams so college admissions are easier for the Tibetans than the Hans.

TV channels in U-Tsang, Kham and Amdo dialects. Promotion of traditional horse races and prize money. Schools in Tibetan area have Tibetan language teachers. Grants given to monasteries ( mostly Panchen Lamas ), Publishing of Tibetan language literature by state publishers.

Actual homes are being built for free for nomads so they can settle down but many nomads use them only for winter residences. Many county officials do not protest against this and let do do as they please.

There is no one/two child limit. I know families that have 7 children and they get all the state benefits. Ethnic Hans would be punished quite severely for this.

Law is quite light on Tibetans breaking laws even in mainland cities. Punishment for almost any crime in Tibet and Tibetan areas is lesser than in mainland. In Tibetan areas punishment for fighting and feud murders doesn't result in death sentence but 16-22 years imprisonment.

Basically Chinese government treat Tibetans with very light hand. Almost every economic and health indicators in Tibetan areas have improved sky high in last 2 decades.
Sometimes I think the Beijing is too generous which will only make the Tibetans lazy and dependent on government doles.


Just don't get into political stuff and everything is fine.

Ps: Please do not think of me as a wumao. I do not mean to say that there are no problems. There are many problems but the goods far outweigh the bad.

The Tibetan TV channels he is spoke of above:

Media in general has a habit of making 'enemy' countries sound as if they are crazy. Don't drink the cool-aid.
 
Feb 2016
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ROK
I thought that the trade war would hurt the world economy. No one would benefit from this. I still think this to be true. But then a Canadian company told us that their biggest market now is China while others have shrunk drastically. (This is just for the markets of that company). Previously, the company's largest market was the United States. This is despite the trade war and the diplomatically tense relationship between China and Canada. It makes me wonder the huge potential China has if the trade war ends. The Chinese government will face difficulties, and I hear about China's hidden debt, but I get the feeling that China will continue to be a major economy.

Exports to China are what helped South Korea go through the world financial crisis with ease. South Korea at this time did not face mass job and home losses. Many expats came for jobs than ever before. (During the 80s and the 90s, I rarely saw any expats except when I went near the US military base). In fact, I believe that the world at that time averted another Great Depression thanks to the Chinese market. Things are different now. (In addition to the current South Korean government's extreme socialist policies), the trade war between the US and China, and Trump's protectionist policies towards other countries are beginning to hurt South Korea's economy.

People who have started their businesses in China have told me that they got their businesses stolen by the Chinese government. One is from Korea and the other is from Macau (originally from Singapore). The one from Korea said that he had to leave his business after China suddenly raised the tax on his company. And they told me that they couldn't take most of their money out of China. I heard that another Korean had to leave his factory in China because his workers wouldn't stop striking. After some time, he saw his products being sold in Korea. When he returned to his factory, he saw that the workers were working without him. I still think China is a good market to export to, but not a safe place to start a business at. Although China embraces capitalism, the government is still Communist and they own everything in China. They're being more careful with the big foreign conglomerates because they know that the foreign governments would react if China does something to them. (Many foreign companies are already leaving China for places like Vietnam partly because the labour costs in China have risen).

China has a history of stealing technology from foreign companies. Now, China is at a stage of becoming a leader in technology.
 
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heylouis

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..... totalitarian governments like China's always run the risk of a calamity, whether it be .... environmental, ..... what if its environmental degradation ......
among the jokable and laughable points, the above reaches a peak

i have to be not hesitate to criticize the west in general on environments.

previously, i observe that posters proposing Greta Thunberg to be a person of year.

well, this is the environment protector of western style:




while this is our chinese socialism youngs:



i don't know.
whatever, as long as nobody sell western mind set to me, i am fine. sell your idea in your place.
any one do that to me, get away plz.
 
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VHS

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among the jokable and laughable points, the above reaches a peak

i have to be not hesitate to criticize the west in general on environments.

previously, i observe that posters proposing Greta Thunberg to be a person of year.

well, this is the environment protector of western style:




while this is our chinese socialism youngs:



i don't know.
whatever, as long as nobody sell western mind set to me, i am fine. sell your idea in your place.
any one do that to me, get away plz.
All words and little actions on the part of the West?
 

sparky

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Indeed , the European Union in particular contribute mightily to the production of hot air
 
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For a country to become a regional or global superpower, there are a few conditions that have to be met. First, the economic strength. Without the strong economic output no country is able to exert power. The second prerequisite to being a super power is of course military strength. Having a modern military structure that is also technologically advanced and able to act anywhere in the world if needed, is a paramount for a country to poses if it has an ambition to become an important force. Another important thing is the political clout. A superpower needs to have a significant number of allies and to be able to politically and diplomatically balance between different countries in order to promote various interests.

China has already become an economic superpower surpassing Japan and becoming the second largest economy in the world, right after the US. The unprecedented economic strength has enabled China to exert the influence all over the world by borrowing money, building infrastructure and doing business globally. All that has helped China to grow politically as well. in global affairs, it is now impossible to ignore the Chinese interests and there has to be a consensus on various important global issues.

What China is missing is the developed military industry and political clout. The US has an enormous political influence in the world which, in conjunction with the advanced military enables the country to dominate as a global super power. China,on the other hand, needs to improve its political influence and to invest into developing the military industry which in turn would enable it to become a superpower. China needs more allies in Europe as well as forging better relationship with North American countries. The world is moving towards multipolarity and in the future, we won’t be having global powers as we did back in the time of the Cold War era, but there will be many regional superpowers that would be an important, if not the sole influence in their geopolitical realms.

China will undoubtedly become a driving force in the Southeast Asia due to its size and strength that will rise in the future.
 
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heylouis

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All words and little actions on the part of the West?
no, not really


i have no negative opinion on the girl.

but she has to be told, only with learning, she can save earth. protesting will not do.

however, she was encouraged to protest.

the problem lays there some values the speech as it has power, and manipulates the speech.

some has been addicted to it.