Is Chinese history overrated?

Chinese history overrated?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 20.8%
  • No

    Votes: 84 79.2%

  • Total voters
    106
Aug 2018
631
london
Wampum doesn't record language. It's like a painting, it conveys meaning but not language.

Where does it say in your quote that it contributed to the US Constitution?
 
Aug 2018
631
london
What is the point of the images you posted? The British ruled India therefore South Americans should be entitled to immigrate into the US without limit?
 

HackneyedScribe

Ad Honorem
Feb 2011
6,553
Wampum doesn't record language. It's like a painting, it conveys meaning but not language.
The links you provided says it was passed down "orally from generation to generation". Wampum is used as a memory aid in oral tradition. The point is the Great Law of Peace made by the Native Americans affected the US Constitution. Just because its first published English translation came after the US Constitution is irrelevant.
 

HackneyedScribe

Ad Honorem
Feb 2011
6,553
What is the point of the images you posted? The British ruled India therefore South Americans should be entitled to immigrate into the US without limit?
The point is to show that the areas being colonized is not just "wilderness" or "nothing", those two being your words. Immigration policy we have now do not allow immigration "without limit", if that is what you are implying.
 
Aug 2018
631
london
ok, but the
The links you provided says it was passed down "orally from generation to generation". Wampum is used as a memory aid in oral tradition.
yes but the only evidence of phrases like "We, the people, to form a union, to establish peace, equity, and order..... " is when it was written down 100 years after the US Constitution, which it is obviously copying.
 
Aug 2018
631
london
The point is to show that the areas being colonized is not just "wilderness" or "nothing"
I didn't mention anything about Ghana or India and I was talking specifically about North America. The British ruled India and Ghana but didn't settle there so they aren't even remotely similar situations.
 

HackneyedScribe

Ad Honorem
Feb 2011
6,553
ok, but the


yes but the only evidence of phrases like "We, the people, to form a union, to establish peace, equity, and order..... " is when it was written down 100 years after the US Constitution, which it is obviously copying.
That quote was said by John Rutledge in 1787 when he quoted the Iroquois Confederation's Great Law of Peace during the United States Constitutional Convention, which resulted in the drafting of the United States Constitution. Who's copying from who?

I didn't mention anything about Ghana or India and I was talking specifically about North America. The British ruled India and Ghana but settle there so they aren't even remotely similar situations.


Less advanced but hardly "nothing" or just "wilderness". Either way, you ignore why you draw the line at Native American level of technology, but not your level of technology. You say that at Native American level of technology, it's OK for them to get kicked out of their homes to make way for colonizers. Why is it not OK for you to get kicked out of your home to make way for a more advanced home meant to be lived by people who aren't you then? Isn't your arbitrary line really convenient?

This is an Amish village:



They refuse to utilize much of modern technology. Technologically, they are behind. Does that mean people who use IPads and drive Feraris have the right to drive them out of their homes or kill them? No? Then why is it OK for the Iroquois to be driven from their homes but not the Amish? Because the Amish have a windmill? Because they use horse drawn carriages rather than canoes?
 
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Aug 2018
631
london
That quote was said by John Rutledge in 1787 when he quoted the Iroquois Confederation's Great Law of Peace during the United States Constitutional Convention, which resulted in the drafting of the United States Constitution. Who's copying from who?
How could he have read it if it hadn't been written down yet? What you're repeating is just made up nonsense. You shouldn't believe everything you read on wikipedia.

The Harvard Law Review and the Iroquois Influence Thesis : British Journal of American Legal Studies
 
Aug 2018
631
london
I said most of north america was wilderness, not 'the indians didn't have any buildings or villages or anything whatsoever anywhere'.
 

HackneyedScribe

Ad Honorem
Feb 2011
6,553
How could he have read it if it hadn't been written down yet? What you're repeating is just made up nonsense. You shouldn't believe everything you read on wikipedia.

The Harvard Law Review and the Iroquois Influence Thesis : British Journal of American Legal Studies
So it has to be published in English, for John Rutledge to know about the Great Law of Peace? That's the implication of your statement.

Also, where in your link did it mention John Rutledge's quote? Please quote it. On the other hand, here's a simple google search to show that John Rutledge's quote came from way more than wikipedia: john rutledge "we the people, to form a union" - Google Search