Is Hitler's dictatorship really "Fascism"?

Feb 2017
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The Rainforests
Or did he just so happen to form a dictatorship at that time which people compared to Roman-empire-rebuilder wannabe Mussolini's Fascism?I don't think the Goths of the past would like a modern version of their country to adopt a government called Fascism. The Fasces is after all a symbol of Roman oppression isn't it?And bearing in mind that Hitler practiced Germanic supremacy....
 
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Chlodio

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Aug 2016
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Merriam Webster: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Wikipedia: a form of government which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. They work for a totalitarian one-party state. This aim is to prepare the nation for armed conflict, and to respond to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government. It tends to be militaristic, and racist.

Mussolini probably formed his political ideas before choosing the fasces as his symbol. However, the fasces gave the name to the philosophy. The Romans and the Goths had little to do with it other than to contribute the symbol. The Romans used the fasces as a symbol of power or authority, not necessarily as a symbol of oppression. Power and authority can be used to good ends.

The fasces has nothing more to do with fascism than does the swastika which long predates Naziism and in some cultures means 'good luck.' It also has other positive connotations. It was only the Nazis that gave the swastika its current odium.
 

AlpinLuke

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Oct 2011
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Or did he just so happen to form a dictatorship at that time which people compared to Roman-empire-rebuilder wannabe Mussolini's Fascism?I don't think the Goths of the past would like a modern version of their country to adopt a government called Fascism. The Fasces is after all a symbol of Roman oppression isn't it?And bearing in mind that Hitler practiced Germanic supremacy....
Mah ...

Italians don't buy the generalization about "Nazi-Fascism".

Historically it is quite true that Nazis copied Fascists, but just about form, not about substance. Nazism was something different. Not better or worse, just different.

Hitler admired Mussolini, but he didn't import Fascism to Germany. National Socialism was contextualized in that country and it had its own history and life.
 
Aug 2017
78
Greece
Nazism has its roots in German romanticism, Bismarck policies and volkisch movements. It was influenced by Italian fascism, but I think it would have still existed without it.
 
Feb 2017
331
The Rainforests
So according to everybody here, National Socialism would still exist without Italian Fascism right?

Would it be okay if I told people during conversations that "Fascism did influence National Socialism but it would be incorrect to call National Socialism as a type of Fascism?"
 
Jun 2017
2,988
Connecticut
It is Fascism seeing as it played to national pride and scapegoating in response to the perception of national humiliation that Italian Fascism did. The difference was Hitler's racial element where he made the Jews his main scapegoat. Hitler also aligned himself with other Fascist/Nazi groups/countries that got the worst of the Versailles settlement(Slovakia, Hungary and Croatia are two examples that came to mind) and gave them states in his brief new European order/restored much of their lost territory.

Basically Nazism is a type of Fascism. I guess maybe a movement can be Nazi without being Fascist, but it almost always is because without Fascism and the need to restore a country's glory where does the scapegoating of a race come in?

Important to note that Fascism/Nazism/right wing non monarchist movements in general are less than a century old.
 
Dec 2011
1,363
Belgium
So according to everybody here, National Socialism would still exist without Italian Fascism right?

Would it be okay if I told people during conversations that "Fascism did influence National Socialism but it would be incorrect to call National Socialism as a type of Fascism?"
Knapf,

Nazism was a type of Fascism. Fascism the common name for all the moveents having common specific characteristics.
Read once all the others on this thread, they are all to the point.
And read once the link of the book I provided
https://books.google.be/books?redir_esc=y&id=x_MeR06xqXAC&q
You can read parts of the book overthere;
Read once on page 3:
Introduction:
Fascism: A working defintion
Better even if you are interested in the matter to buy the book.
I read it from the local library Bruges Belgium

Kind regards, Paul.
 
Aug 2017
78
Greece
Knapf,

Nazism was a type of Fascism. Fascism the common name for all the moveents having common specific characteristics.
Read once all the others on this thread, they are all to the point.
And read once the link of the book I provided
https://books.google.be/books?redir_esc=y&id=x_MeR06xqXAC&q
You can read parts of the book overthere;
Read once on page 3:
Introduction:
Fascism: A working defintion
Better even if you are interested in the matter to buy the book.
I read it from the local library Bruges Belgium

Kind regards, Paul.
National Socialism is the ideological descendant of the volkisch movements, which existed long before fascism.
 
Dec 2011
1,363
Belgium
National Socialism is the ideological descendant of the volkisch movements, which existed long before fascism.
Lycurgus,

yes in another forum about the roots of Nazism I have mentioned as you Romantism, the national feelings of the philosopher Fichte, the völkisch movement, and I have added the eugenist movement and Social-Darwinism. Yes and I forgot the pilosopher Nietzsche, whose sister has adapted his texts afterwards. Nietzsche's sister had Hitler as visitor.

Kind regards, Paul.