Is Jesus Christ a Roman citizen?

Feb 2018
8
Sweden
#81
Some rabbinical texts accuses Jesus to be a "mamser". That Jesus father was a roman officer.Instead of Joseph. And if that is true. Jesus was a Roman citizen. We has two different possibles. One jewish explanation. That Jesus was a true child of god. And the jews had to blaim that he was born by an Roman. Or the christian explanation of the angel to cover up the real history.
 
Mar 2015
861
Europe
#82
Some rabbinical texts accuses Jesus to be a "mamser". That Jesus father was a roman officer.Instead of Joseph. And if that is true. Jesus was a Roman citizen.
No, he wasn´t.
Only a child of a Roman citizen father and his legally married wife was a Roman citizen. A child of a Roman citizen father and a mother who was not legally married to him nor a Roman citizen, whether a peregrine (like Mary) or a slave was not a Roman citizen.
Bastard children of Roman soldiers and peregrine mothers who were not Roman citizens were common.
 
Apr 2009
4,428
Alabama, USA
#84
Jesus did not say "Render unto Caesar..." in front of Pilate. He said it a few days before when his enemies were trying to trap him into saying something against Rome. Jesus avoided the trap at that time, but was later arrested and tried twice. At his first trial, a Roman trial where Jesus was accused of sedition against Rome, Pilate found no fault with Jesus and washed his hands. Jesus was then taken before a Jewish court accused of blasphemy. This court found him guilty.
I think you got it backward. His *first* trial was with the Jewish priests who then took him to Pilate. Remember, Pilate was the governor of Judea at the time so his word was absolute.
 
May 2019
1
Gulfport, Mississippi
#85
Almost everything we know about Jesus is mythical. He was possibly a carpenter or a STONEMASON. He might have been a Roman agent because he seemed to favour non-resistance to Roman occupation by promoting passivity and non-violence. The most disturbing part about Jesus is the story of the Roman coin.
Do not underestimate the power of Roman propaganda, the power of the Eagle of war. Remember that Christianity was propagated by the Romans themselves as a useful mechanism of control for the mass.


Perhaps you should read the Bible. It isn't so "mystical". If you consider the Bible "Myth" then you are not a Christian and would not likely be able to fairly adjudicate such a question as to his citizenship.
 

Tulius

Ad Honorem
May 2016
5,686
Portugal
#86
If you consider the Bible "Myth" then you are not a Christian and would not likely be able to fairly adjudicate such a question as to his citizenship.
Welcome to Historum, Stan Smith, just saw that it is your first post.

But let us all recall that if the members of this history forum are Christians or not doesn’t give them more or less rights to discuss the origins of the history of the Christianity. And this is valid to any religion.
 
Oct 2012
675
#88
Perhaps you should read the Bible. It isn't so "mystical". If you consider the Bible "Myth" then you are not a Christian and would not likely be able to fairly adjudicate such a question as to his citizenship.
If someone
Why is a non-Christian less able than a Christian to fairly assess Jesus' citizenship status?
Indeed. I think the Roman officials are the best judges in the matter.
 

AlpinLuke

Forum Staff
Oct 2011
26,845
Italy, Lago Maggiore
#89
Perhaps you should read the Bible. It isn't so "mystical". If you consider the Bible "Myth" then you are not a Christian and would not likely be able to fairly adjudicate such a question as to his citizenship.
The Bible is not a private property of Christians: Tanakh is the Hebrew Bible and the Gospel [Injil] is mentioned in Koran and considered sacred as well by Muslims.
I do suggest to you to change your attitude. This is your first post on Historum. I'm not going to tolerate other posts like this in a historical discussion. Period.
 

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