Is RACISM something real or just the excuse for something else?

Jul 2017
332
Argentina
#1
Though I have formation in some social sciences (law and language), my studies in sociology itself are limited: Durkheim and the consensus model; Marx, Weber and the conflict model; united stater symbolic interaction focusing; etc. Anyway, I’d like to share my thoughts about this issue.
RACE is a biological concep and it applies to human species too. It is the accumulation of certain physical and genetic features that passes from one generation to the next. So, in Darwin’s vocabulary, the fittest have better chances of surviving and transmitting their gens. Who are the fittest? Certainly the fittest in the arctic pole are not the fittest in African savanna. The fittest can’t be the same in the Puna (high lands of Bolivia and Perú) and in Ukranian basin. Sherpa people didn’t evolve to have those large lungs by casualty.
RACISM is the attitude of discriminating people for having different race or genetic inherency. A RACIST person would consider some race or races are better or superior than other/s; not necessarily putting him or herself in the group of the “better” race.
Better on what? What does that superiority consists in? Racist speeches have shown different motives, claiming one race is more beautiful than other, or more intelligent, or healthier, or simply more evolved in biological terms. But in any of these cases, racist speech arrives to the same conclusion: people of the race considered to be superior, has more rights than people of the race considered inferior. Therefore, some can demand or are entitled to more than others: more richness, more state services, more protection, more chances to be part of the ruling class, more chances to be part in public interest decisions, etc..
Sometimes, racism advocates to create great differences between races. In the extreme of this trend, are those cases of societies where there is a free race and a slave race. Or worse, there is a race that deserves to live, and a race that must be exterminated. Sometimes, the racist tendency doesn’t go that far, and just expects races not to mix and one of them to remain the only with access to ruling positions and some amount of richness.
Sometimes people accept being racist and expose themselves as such. Sometimes people wouldn’t accept being racist even when they know they are. Sometimes people would swear not being racist at all when they unconsciously are (“I have nothing against THEM but I don’t want my daughter to marry one of THEM”; this is the prevailing way in my country where lots of people even put themselves in the group “of them”). The fan of attitudes is wider and there is also people who finds their discriminating action as justified and, for that reason, they don’t call it racism.
Clearly, as much as an homogenous group can transmit its race to the next generation, it also transmits its culture, including religion, language, habits, etc. So, no relatively homogeneous group can be identified just by its race; members of that group will also share a cultural heritage. That’s what you call an ethnic group. Then, racial discrimination is often mixed whit other motives of discrimination. Still, IMHO, in this ethnic segregation, racism appears as the prevalent part of it.
May be there are some scientific studies about the differences between races and may be they are concluding people of one race is more intelligent than people of other race. I don’t really know. I don’t really care. What I do like, is to see national volleyball teams of Cuba, Polska, Russia, Srbija and Iran (all among the best teams in the world) developing different ways to play according to their different physical traits. May be Korea’s and Japan’s male branches never were among the top ten teams; but they also develop some skills to play volleyball, according to their bodies. But they are all entitled to play, and let the best team win!!!
So, besides some motives with supposed scientific foundations, I wonder. Can it be possible that an intelligent grown up person really hate another just for having different skin color?
My opinion is NO, it can’t be possible. I think some people just want to have privileges. Privileges in access to wealth and other goods. Then, if some have privileges, some others get segregated. Race is, IMHO, just an easy way to identify who has the privileges and who gets segregated, no more than that.
So, when a person says “I hate you because of your skin color”, that person is simply lying. That person should say “I want to exploit you, as the only way to hold on to privileges”.
There is no autonomous racism. There’s no hate to someone’s skin color for the color itself. It’s always just an opportunistic mean to achieve something else: privileges.
Watch out!!! I’m not trying to justify or redeem or reduce or forget anything.

What do you think?

¡¡¡Aguante Talleres!!!
 
Apr 2017
710
U.S.A.
#2
Many racists aren't seeking an advantage over another group, they simply have a negative impression of another group and think low of them because of it. It's often not just the skin color or religion; its the traits associated with it.
To use a fictional example (so as not to offend anyone), a Sneetch with a star (from the Dr. Seuss story) would think Sneetches without stars are lazy, stupid and prone to crime; while the Sneetch's without stars think those with stars are arrogant, selfish and purposely rig the system so they can't advance. Neither group is seeking to be dominant over the other, they just have negative impressions of the other based on stereotypes they heard from others or formed themselves based on limited interactions.
 
Jul 2017
332
Argentina
#3
Many racists aren't seeking an advantage over another group, they simply have a negative impression of another group and think low of them because of it. It's often not just the skin color or religion; its the traits associated with it.
To use a fictional example (so as not to offend anyone), a Sneetch with a star (from the Dr. Seuss story) would think Sneetches without stars are lazy, stupid and prone to crime; while the Sneetch's without stars think those with stars are arrogant, selfish and purposely rig the system so they can't advance. Neither group is seeking to be dominant over the other, they just have negative impressions of the other based on stereotypes they heard from others or formed themselves based on limited interactions.
Hey VP. Thanks for reading.
In your example, doesn't that "negative impression" drive people to any further goals? Like not wanting groups to interbreed. Like, in case some ressourse (food, health care, education, etc) is scarce, wanting it to be asigned to members of your own group and not the other?
 
Apr 2017
710
U.S.A.
#4
Hey VP. Thanks for reading.
In your example, doesn't that "negative impression" drive people to any further goals? Like not wanting groups to interbreed. Like, in case some ressourse (food, health care, education, etc) is scarce, wanting it to be asigned to members of your own group and not the other?
In some cases yes, that would mean some (using my Sneetch premise) Sneetches with stars and Sneetches without stars would be against Sneetches from the other group interbreeding. And yes, if resources were scarce they would want to protect their own over that of other groups (especially groups they dislike). This isn't so much using racism as an excuse to have power over the other group as it's putting your group first as you view it as the most important. Many racists do see their group as superior and believe it should have a status above the groups they dislike; but this is because the thought of the other group (which they view as lazy, offensive or whatever negative impression they have of them) being above them is offensive. Their line of thought being.."A Sneetch without a star is my boss, that's bull! I work harder than him and I deserve that job, he only got the promotion because the main boss is a Sneetch without a star."
 

Mrbsct

Ad Honorem
Jul 2013
2,579
USA
#5
Race is not biological. Ethnicity or localization of localized geographical areas is a better indication of things of Neathderthal DNA, Sicle Cell Enemia, certain mutations.

Forced diversity has nothing to do with secret government conspiracy but a:
-Increased aging population
-Decline of manufacturing sector and increased service sector
-Jobs being rather easy with enough education(there is barely any net loss from hiring someone less competent from a less educated background to fill diversity quotas)
-Demand for immigration
 
Jul 2017
332
Argentina
#6
Race is not biological. Ethnicity or localization of localized geographical areas is a better indication of things of Neathderthal DNA, Sicle Cell Enemia, certain mutations.

Forced diversity has nothing to do with secret government conspiracy but a:
-Increased aging population
-Decline of manufacturing sector and increased service sector
-Jobs being rather easy with enough education(there is barely any net loss from hiring someone less competent from a less educated background to fill diversity quotas)
-Demand for immigration
Hey Mr... thanks for reading.
I didn't really understand what you tried to say. But you're writting about governments and aging population and stuff, while my proposal was about what happens in the mind of a person who shows racist attitudes.
 

Mrbsct

Ad Honorem
Jul 2013
2,579
USA
#7
Hey Mr... thanks for reading.
I didn't really understand what you tried to say. But you're writting about governments and aging population and stuff, while my proposal was about what happens in the mind of a person who shows racist attitudes.
From what I know there are 3 types of racists I have met in my lifetime

-Responsive Racist
Most people that are ignorant but care about there community/safety. These people look at the flaws of the culture of one race and want to overgeneralize that race as a response to the race's said wrongdoings. The most common is American Conservatives angry at Black Crime Rate or African Americans angry at how they are being treated and blame it on all Whites(reverse racism)
-Fearful Racist
These are the people who are racist because they know they live in a competitive environment and individuals of another race can overtake them or might overtake them. They need racism to feel good about themselves. The most common example is many American Southerns believing that they are superior to the Black Man and White Supremacy is a way to gain "social points". Another good example is anti-Asian racism in Canada due to their luxurious lifestyles.
-Power Racist
People who are doing it for power and inheritly malicous thought. They are often the most obsessed with racialism and believe on race should dominate over another.
 
Jul 2017
332
Argentina
#8
From what I know there are 3 types of racists I have met in my lifetime

-Responsive Racist
Most people that are ignorant but care about there community/safety. These people look at the flaws of the culture of one race and want to overgeneralize that race as a response to the race's said wrongdoings. The most common is American Conservatives angry at Black Crime Rate or African Americans angry at how they are being treated and blame it on all Whites(reverse racism)
-Fearful Racist
These are the people who are racist because they know they live in a competitive environment and individuals of another race can overtake them or might overtake them. They need racism to feel good about themselves. The most common example is many American Southerns believing that they are superior to the Black Man and White Supremacy is a way to gain "social points". Another good example is anti-Asian racism in Canada due to their luxurious lifestyles.
-Power Racist
People who are doing it for power and inheritly malicous thought. They are often the most obsessed with racialism and believe on race should dominate over another.
Hey. Now you read my OP.
Your groups second and third fit perfectly in my thesis. Their problem is not really someone else's race. Some use racial differences as their tool to get power. Some, as their tool to calm their own fears.
 
Feb 2013
4,243
Coastal Florida
#9
Can it be possible that an intelligent grown up person really hate another just for having different skin color?
My opinion is NO, it can’t be possible. I think some people just want to have privileges. Privileges in access to wealth and other goods. Then, if some have privileges, some others get segregated. Race is, IMHO, just an easy way to identify who has the privileges and who gets segregated, no more than that.
So, when a person says “I hate you because of your skin color”, that person is simply lying. That person should say “I want to exploit you, as the only way to hold on to privileges”.
There is no autonomous racism. There’s no hate to someone’s skin color for the color itself. It’s always just an opportunistic mean to achieve something else: privileges.
I don't find anything terribly egregious in your analysis except that I would disagree with your conclusion. While it's certainly possible racism can be based on a perceived fear of a loss of privilege, there are examples which are definitely based solely on skin color. I don't know the degree to which racism permeates Argentine society but I'm very familiar with it in the United States. The primary example I would point to here are the folks who oppose race mixing. There is no fear of a loss of economic or political opportunity when one's concern is over whether his family member dates someone of a different race. I can even give you a specific example involving myself. The first time I brought a black guy around, certain members of my family were aghast and asked why I couldn't limit myself to white guys. They didn't have any fears about a loss of opportunity. They simply have negative opinions about black people in general.
 

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