Is Russia controlled by Turkic people (Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvash etc)?

Is Russia controlled by Turkic people (Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvash etc)?

  • Yes

    Votes: 1 6.3%
  • No

    Votes: 15 93.8%

  • Total voters
    16

Maribat

Ad Honorem
Mar 2012
4,973
#11
You know, for those who lived in the Soviet Union, the question makes no sense. For decades, we were all steaming in one common stew. And while there is way more nationalistic awareness in "post-Soviet space", old ties die hard. This is why Russia is not paranoid about Islam of Central Asia. And there were so many mixed marriages in old times, it does not even matter, who is Chuvash, and who is not. All the more so that Chuvashia is ethnically heterogeneous, too. Russian nationalism never runs deep. I seriously doubt it was ever in Russian nature, because as a huge country, it absorbed so many ethnic groups.

And now a hidden Chuvash Arkteia migrated to the USA to control that country! Chuvash forever!
 
Sep 2012
3,673
Bulgaria
#12
That is because marxism is a Western and European ideology, which has nothing to do with Muslim culture or philosophy. I don't even remember any "important" communist who was born Muslim.
I know at least one famous communist of Muslim background. Enver Hoxha, the leader of Albania, was born in a Muslim family, a staunch Stalinist, he believed that the religious institutions have negative and backward influence in Albanian society. He ignored Stalin's advise to not attack directly Abrahamic religions and went on unprecedented full scale attack against them declaring his state the first atheist country in the world.
 
Feb 2019
28
Planet Earth
#13
I know at least one famous communist of Muslim background. Enver Hoxha, the leader of Albania, was born in a Muslim family, a staunch Stalinist, he believed that the religious institutions have negative and backward influence in Albanian society. He ignored Stalin's advise to not attack directly Abrahamic religions and went on unprecedented full scale attack against them declaring his state the first atheist country in the world.
Yes and no.

Enver Hoxha's background is interesting because he was apparently born into the Bektashi order, which is far from "orthodox" sunni Islam: Bektashi Order - Wikipedia

I don't know much about the Albanian Bektashis, except that they are related to the Alevis in Turkey. Many Turkish/Kurdish Alevis don't even consider themselves muslims (they have been badly oppresed by Muslims in the past and don't follow the five pilars) and not a few of them are of left sympathies.
 
Feb 2019
28
Planet Earth
#14
Chuvash is not Turkish, but Turkic language. Chuvash language is the last surviving member of the Oghur branch and quite different from the other Turkic languages. Turkish belongs to Oghuz branch and has more in common with Bashkir and Tatar (Crimean and Siberian sub-branches) than with Chuvash. There is a lot of Turkic ppl, but only one Turkish nation.

Regarding the proverb 'Scratch a Russian and find a Tatar' one should bear in mind that Tatar was used to denote Mongols AND different Turkic peoples under Mongol rule & their descendants. After 2 centuries of Mongol yoke until the final victory of Ivan III the Great and afterwards there was a lot of mixing between different ethnic groups in this area. For example Naryshkin boyars were of Tatar descent, the mother of Peter the Great is Naryshkina. Or look at the notorious eyes of the comrade Lenin, he was partly of Kalmyk descent.

Regarding religion/s and communism, muslim communist is oxymoron, because by default communists are fierce militant atheists so it doesnt matter if the communist comes from devout muslim, christan or jewish family he or she is an atheist.
Atheist or not, people are influenced by their religious and cultural backgrounds. Marxism is a Western ideology, a "secular religion", invented by the Jewish Lutheran Karl Marx.
It's against every teaching of Islam and the norms of Islamic culture (Islam is more than a belief system).

I don't think it's a coincidence that many leading Communists were of pious Jewish or Christian backgrounds, while Muslims were very underrepresented.
 
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Apr 2018
327
India
#16
Atheist or not, people are influenced by their religious and cultural backgrounds. Marxism is a Western ideology, a "secular religion", invented by the Jewish Lutheran Karl Marx.
It's against every teaching of Islam and the norms of Islamic culture (Islam is more than a belief system).

I don't think it's a coincidence that many leading Communists were of pious Jewish or Christian backgrounds, while Muslims were very underrepresented.
Any ideas about these??
Wäisi movement - Wikipedia
Muslim Socialist Committee of Kazan - Wikipedia
 
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Feb 2019
28
Planet Earth
#18
Well, Russian Tatars were always one of the most "Westernized" and secularized Muslim groups. But I think the only Muslim country were Marxism and Communism had some real popular support was pre-revolutionary Iran. There were even similar movements trying to combine Islam and Marxism. But they were a great failure, as the Islamists "won".

In my opinion, Marxism and Islam are incompatible.
 
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