Is the US better of being split?

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Jul 2016
9,679
USA
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Not better off. It's just going to return happen. Cultural differences that used to be small enough to live with have been amplified. This level of animosity is not sustainable for long before blood is shed in large quantities, and when that happens it'll all collapse anyways. When the federal govt fragments, states will group together and try to rebuild.

Nothing lasts forever. We had a good run. So has the modern world, which we will pull down too. 21st century is going to make the 20th look fun.
 
Sep 2014
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Texas
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How will the US divide itself in this scenario? Texas and California secede separately causing a domino effect or will states divide over another political/economic/social cause?
Texas doesn't want to split. The Republic of Texas exists only to get out of parking tickets on YouTube.
 
Aug 2014
4,675
Australia
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How will the US divide itself in this scenario? Texas and California secede separately causing a domino effect?
That seems the most likely scenario. Either Texas or California secedes first (depending on who controls the White House at the time) and the other will follow shortly afterwards. After that, other states will pick sides and create two separate confederations.

California is the 5th largest economy in the world - similar to the UK. Texas is the 15th largest economy in the world - similar to Mexico. Both are easily capable of operating independently.
 
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Chlodio

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Aug 2016
4,288
Dispargum
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The current divide in America isn't red states vs blue states. It's urban vs rural. I'm familiar with a few proposed secession movements in recent years. They never go anywhere because neither urban nor rural regions can survive without the other. Rural areas are generally poorer and economically unviable without subsidies from urban areas. Urban areas need the food and other resources produced in rural areas.

It always seems to be the rural areas (or sometimes suburbs) that want to secede. Urban areas do a better job of developing their people's cooperation skills.
 
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The current divide in America isn't red states vs blue states. It's urban vs rural. I'm familiar with a few proposed secession movements in recent years. They never go anywhere because neither urban nor rural regions can survive without the other. Rural areas are generally poorer and economically unviable without subsidies from urban areas. Urban areas need the food and other resources produced in rural areas.

It always seems to be the rural areas (or sometimes suburbs) that want to secede. Urban areas do a better job of developing their people's cooperation skills.
The urban areas get far more subsidies than rural areas. Welfare recipients are far more numerous in cities.
As for urban areas doing a better job developing people's cooperation skills; do see race riots in rural areas anywhere as often as cities?
Just look at the violent protests in Oakland, the gang shootings in Chicago and any other large city.
Rural areas by far are more peaceful than urban. A lot of it is because there are less people. Put more people together and more problems arise.
Putting multiple groups of people together only creates more friction. Diversity doesn't unite, it divides. Assimilation is what unites, as it blends the differences together.
California is not viable as an independent state (nor are most others). Its electric grid is fully integrated with the western half of the country. Its incompetent ballet initiative will lead to its collapse. Texas at least has its own electric grid, oil industry and good farming. However, any of the states seceding would just be a weaker version of itself. We are stronger together and must resolve our differences. We tried seceding when we couldn't get along before, it was the most disastrous war in our history. It cannot be repeated.
 
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Aug 2014
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The urban areas get far more subsidies than rural areas. Welfare recipients are far more numerous in cities.
As for urban areas doing a better job developing people's cooperation skills; do see race riots in rural areas anywhere as often as cities?
Just look at the violent protests in Oakland, the gang shootings in Chicago and any other large city.
Rural areas by far are more peaceful than urban. A lot of it is because there are less people. Put more people together and more problems arise.
Putting multiple groups of people together only creates more friction. Diversity doesn't unite, it divides. Assimilation is what unites, as it blends the differences together.
California is not viable as an independent state (nor are most others). Its electric grid is fully integrated with the western half of the country. Its incompetent ballet initiative will lead to its collapse. Texas at least has its own electric grid, oil industry and good farming. However, any of the states seceding would just be a weaker version of itself. We are stronger together and must resolve our differences. We tried seceding when we couldn't get along before, it was the most disastrous war in our history. It cannot be repeated.
You are confusing "independent" with "isolated". California and Texas can operate independently while still trading and co-operating with other states.
 
Oct 2010
5,191
DC
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That seems the most likely scenario. Either Texas or California secedes first (depending on who controls the White House at the time) and the other will follow shortly afterwards. After that, other states will pick sides and create two separate confederations.

California is the 5th largest economy in the world - similar to the UK. Texas is the 15th largest economy in the world - similar to Mexico. Both are easily capable of operating independently.
What percentage of the California and Texas Economy is dependent on the Inter-state commerce vs. International commerce negotiated and regulated by the Federal government ?
 
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