Is the US better of being split?

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Feb 2014
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Miami
#31
The USA people will be better off as Many independent nations working in alliance

Dixieland
Yankeedom
Texas
California
Hawaii
Republic of Alaska
Cascadia
Dakota
Republic of peurto rico
 
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Dec 2011
4,437
Iowa USA
#32
California imports a minimum of 1/4 of its energy from neighboring states. Without that energy, the big cities collapse. They're also very water dependent on rivers that originate from out of state (the Colorado River being one of the most important). But then again, a good chunk of the water goes to agriculture, which would collapse should California ever try to become independent. Check out political affiliations of farmers, compare that to the urban areas and state govt. It'll be like Zimbabwe all over again.
Desalinization technologies are moving rapidly. In the medium term, perhaps as little as 15 years, this constraint might be an afterthought.
 
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USA
#33
Desalinization technologies are moving rapidly. In the medium term, perhaps as little as 15 years, this constraint might be an afterthought.
First, let's preface this by the outright truth that California will go completely bankrupt long before 2035.

Next, desalinization tech isn't moving rapidly, its still ruinously expensive. "it will always take 1 kWh or more of energy to desalinate a cubic meter of seawater."

Where are they getting that energy from? Their entire energy infrastructure partially collapses nearly every summer. So you're going to exponentially increase it with what? More solar panels and wind turbines? Going to tell the environmentalists to screw themselves and build a couple dozen nuclear power plant (which would actually be the smartest thing California could do, but being that its run by the far left that will NEVER happen).
 
Aug 2014
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Australia
#34
First, let's preface this by the outright truth that California will go completely bankrupt long before 2035.

Next, desalinization tech isn't moving rapidly, its still ruinously expensive. "it will always take 1 kWh or more of energy to desalinate a cubic meter of seawater."

Where are they getting that energy from? Their entire energy infrastructure partially collapses nearly every summer. So you're going to exponentially increase it with what? More solar panels and wind turbines? Going to tell the environmentalists to screw themselves and build a couple dozen nuclear power plant (which would actually be the smartest thing California could do, but being that its run by the far left that will NEVER happen).
So how is California's water and energy situation any worse than Israel's?
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Ad Honoris
May 2014
15,537
SoCal
#38
The US is way too interconnected for political divisions to result in a large-scale secession movement, IMHO. The urban/suburban and rural areas simply can't live without each other--as someone else in this thread has already mentioned. As for the biggest threat to the union of the country, that would probably be from hardcore White nationalists who want to secede in order to create a White ethno-state. Thankfully, though, their base of support appears to be very, very small.
 
Dec 2011
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Iowa USA
#40
First, let's preface this by the outright truth that California will go completely bankrupt long before 2035.

Next, desalinization tech isn't moving rapidly, its still ruinously expensive. "it will always take 1 kWh or more of energy to desalinate a cubic meter of seawater."

Where are they getting that energy from? Their entire energy infrastructure partially collapses nearly every summer. So you're going to exponentially increase it with what? More solar panels and wind turbines? Going to tell the environmentalists to screw themselves and build a couple dozen nuclear power plant (which would actually be the smartest thing California could do, but being that its run by the far left that will NEVER happen).
If you are interested in learning more you can PM me. That kWh, though.... you think 8 to 12 cents is ruinously expense?

Perhaps you think that a gallon is a cubic meter?
 
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