Is there a realistic way to create a Maghreb Union?

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
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Is there a realistic way to create a Maghreb Union? For the record, I was thinking of at least an EU-like superstate but even better would be a unified Maghreb state (as in, with the Maghreb becoming one country). This state would consist of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and possibly Libya, Western Sahara, and/or Mauritania as well.

Since these countries appear to have had similar histories, I wonder if they could have ever united. I mean, it would certainly result in greater geopolitical clout for the Maghreb and possibly make it as powerful and influential as Egypt is.

Thoughts?
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
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Interesting.

a political confederation is way out there in the never never land ,
it just might happen but the prospect is not in sight
Algeria and Morocco hate each other, don't they? Is Algeria's strong sympathy for the Western Saharan rebels the result of Algeria's own history with colonialism (which was much more brutal than in Morocco)?
 

sparky

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Jan 2017
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conflicts and raiding from a few centuries , on top the Moroccans are more Islamic while Algerian are more secular

Morocco has a king who put his opponent in jail , while Algeria has a socialist mafia who put its opponent in jail

Tunisia is on the whole quite reasonable but is not too keen to tie the knot with the others two , they know they would be overwhelmed

Libya is schizophrenic between the East Cyrenaica which is closer to Egypt and the West Tripolitania which is closer to Tunisia
Around Syrte and the South there are tribes who are closer to nobody

P.S. I've worked two years in Libya at Homs near Misurata ,
 
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This sort of thing in Islamic countries normally requires an iron hand.

The Magreb and part of Libya (and Al Andalus) was united under the Almohad Empire and grips don't come any more firm that that! To a lesser extent, and you could say foundations were laid, under the Almoravids.
 
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In the 70s Gaddafi made some effort to establish unions with the other Arab states of North Africa, but a number of times he also found himself fighting border conflicts with Libya's neighbours. He was a pan-Arabist, yet strikingly able to find himself at war with fellow Arabs. By the 90s, however, his pan-Arabist agenda had been replaced by pan-Africanism, which led him to play a major role in the African Union. I've been to Libya as well, and I remember there being ambitious plans on Gaddafi's part to establish an African equivalent of the Euro.
 
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sparky

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Jan 2017
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#9
When Ghadafi tangled with Chad , the Toubou tribesmen developed what became known as the "Toyota wars"
those guys had been raiding the oasis for centuries
basically they replaced the camels with vehicles and their old muskets with soviet gear

Hi-lux pick up trucks with the back loaded with guys armed with RPG and DshK heavy machine guns

zooming at high speed trough the desert at night , shooting up Libyan armor , holding for dear life while taking shots
they even were passing over minefields when the wind had covered the mines ( not always successfully )
the Libyans draftees were terrified of them and their custom of cutting ears as trophies
 

Futurist

Ad Honoris
May 2014
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SoCal
#10
conflicts and raiding from a few centuries , on top the Moroccans are more Islamic while Algerian are more secular

Morocco has a king who put his opponent in jail , while Algeria has a socialist mafia who put its opponent in jail

Tunisia is on the whole quite reasonable but is not too keen to tie the knot with the others two , they know they would be overwhelmed

Libya is schizophrenic between the East Cyrenaica which is closer to Egypt and the West Tripolitania which is closer to Tunisia
Around Syrte and the South there are tribes who are closer to nobody

P.S. I've worked two years in Libya at Homs near Misurata ,
Makes one wonder whether Libya should have partitioned.

In the 70s Gaddafi made some effort to establish unions with the other Arab states of North Africa, but a number of times he also found himself fighting border conflicts with Libya's neighbours. He was a pan-Arabist, yet strikingly able to find himself at war with fellow Arabs. By the 90s, however, his pan-Arabist agenda had been replaced by pan-Africanism, which led him to play a major role in the African Union. I've been to Libya as well, and I remember there being ambitious plans on Gaddafi's part to establish an African equivalent of the Euro.
If Gaddafi was a genuine Pan-African, though, surely he would have invited a lot of Blacks to settle in Libya, though? After all, Blacks make up the lion's share of Africa's population.

This sort of thing in Islamic countries normally requires an iron hand.

The Magreb and part of Libya (and Al Andalus) was united under the Almohad Empire and grips don't come any more firm that that! To a lesser extent, and you could say foundations were laid, under the Almoravids.
It makes one wonder--had the Maghreb avoided colonization in the 19th and early 20th century and WWI would have still broken out in the early 20th C, could the Entente have sponsored a broad Maghrebi rebellion against the Ottomans? If so, that might be a way to create a Pan-Maghrebi state--even if it will initially be a protectorate or mandate of some Great Power (probably France).