Is there such a thing as collective, national guilt?

Jun 2018
136
New Hampshire
#81
Liberalism is a cancer that eats away at the moral fabric of a society. A parasite which if allowed to spread will inevitably destroy its host organism. An economic system in and of itself is not the problem, it is the wider culture of the society that is either problematic or beneficial. Pure socialism will obviously lead to an economic disaster. But a mixed economic system that is employed I order to provide maximum benefits to the country itself would be best.
 
Jan 2019
122
USA
#82
The United States is the greatest country in the world..

- Largest economy by a decent margin
- 3rd largest nation geographically
- 3rd largest population
- Unrivaled militarily
- WW2
- Moon Landing
- Constitution
- Beginnings
- Entertainment Industry

Come at me guys!!!
 
Jan 2016
372
Ohio
#84
Liberalism is a cancer that eats away at the moral fabric of a society. A parasite which if allowed to spread will inevitably destroy its host organism.
Shots fired.

I also have a very very very serious question. I will admit that I am a novice when it comes to economics and politics. Ive got to seriously ask. A lot of the countries that are often referred to being better have relatively SMALL populations. Couldn't this have a major effect on the differences we see? ( I would like to point out that the difference doesn't seem all that major to me, but maybe I am wrong.. The USA may be 13 but is 20 points really THAT bad considering population differences?) The USA has 320 million more people than Denmark does. Surely that goes along way in terms of economy, health care, etc. Im not looking for snark debates (which hasn't happened yet). Im just a man looking to learn.

(I would like to point out that, obviously, after a few months of self exploration and learning politics my leaning tends to be more right-of-center. If I had to guess it'd be 65-35? Maybe 60-40? Could be even less, a lot of those tests I can't trust. haha)
 

Solidaire

Ad Honorem
Aug 2009
5,358
Athens, Greece
#85
It's common to hear people proclaim that they feel ashamed or guilty to be from [country] because of [historical transgression]. My question is: should the guilt of a government/culture/ethnicity be passed on to later peoples who live under the same government or live in the same region?

To take one example, should Japanese people living in the 21st century feel a degree of guilt for the country's wartime imperialism and aggression in WWII, or are these people adequately disconnected to the actions of the government and people of 1940s Japan?

If you say yes, they should feel guilty, how many generations does it take to "forgive" this shame? Should Mongolians still feel remorse for Genghis Khan's bloody conquests?

If you say "no," that guilt can't be passed on because modern people can't be held accountable for the historical actions of their government or culture, then is it still possible to feel pride in your government or people's accomplishments? Would an American be entitled to feel patriotic when they hear of the successes of the 101st Airborne Division in WWII?

Just some discussion questions, not necessarily taking a strong stance either way.
Guilt and pride are emotions, often they are not based on reasonable, tangible causes. Should people become emotionally entangled to actions committed by their ancestors? In my opinion, no, there is no logic or moral responsibility justifying it. Despite of this, however, do people actually feel strongly about the past of the group they belong or identify with? Yes, to my understanding most do, and often very strongly too. Why? Because we are not creatures driven by logic alone, often not so at all. And we are social, tribal beings, often developing strong emotional attachment to our tribe/clan/ethnicity/nation/or whatever group we feel we belong to. Is this desirable? The identification with a group is, I believe, part of the human nature, and therefore very difficult to overcome; the same goes for personal emotions as a result of group actions, past and present. Up to a degree, I think it is not harmful and even helps preserve the many facets of human culture, its richness and pluralism. It becomes dangerous when it becomes excessive, and when the identification and the accompanying emotions hide all other groups from the individual's vision. When being a fan of a team becomes hooliganism. And when collective emotions, guilt or pride, are pressed on groups, often to facilitate an underlying political agenda.
 
Oct 2013
13,226
Europix
#86
The United States is the greatest country in the world..

- Largest economy by a decent margin
- 3rd largest nation geographically
- 3rd largest population
- Unrivaled militarily
- WW2
- Moon Landing
- Constitution
- Beginnings
- Entertainment Industry

Come at me guys!!!
I hope all that doesn't trigger in You "such a thing as collective, national guilt" !

:p
 
Likes: Bobbaloo
#87
Liberalism is a cancer that eats away at the moral fabric of a society. A parasite which if allowed to spread will inevitably destroy its host organism. An economic system in and of itself is not the problem, it is the wider culture of the society that is either problematic or beneficial. Pure socialism will obviously lead to an economic disaster. But a mixed economic system that is employed I order to provide maximum benefits to the country itself would be best.
Here is the Wikipedia definition of liberalism
"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support civil rights, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and free markets "
What is it about liberalism that you dislike?
 
Jun 2018
136
New Hampshire
#88
Here is the Wikipedia definition of liberalism
"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support civil rights, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, and free markets "
What is it about liberalism that you dislike?
I will neither recant nor be baited.
 
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Sep 2016
801
Georgia
#89
The United States is the greatest country in the world..
3rd largest nation geographically
Not the largest
3rd largest population
Not the largest
So what ?
Do you want me to list all Russian accomplishments in 50's - 60's and how they did those things before you ?
Constitution
Beginnings
Constitution ? So what ?

What do you mean by beginnings ?
Entertainment Industry
Nobody cares.
 

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