isn't psychiatry just the beliefs of professionals?

larkin

Ad Honorem
Sep 2009
3,698
#41
Yes, it is easy to blame Big Pharma...

Each time I go to the doctor, they ask me if I am depressed. If I happen to say yes, I am given a questionnaire that is a template for what sort of medication I should be prescribed. Who provided my health care provider with these questionnaires?


A sizable percentage of Big Pharma's in house research dollars go towards marketing and patent re-regulation. Their primary purpose is to manufacture these medications and get them to market.


You and I, through our tax dollars pays around 40% of crucial research in pharmaceutical remedies. Patents and licenses are given to this industry, gratis.


The public receives no royalties and the Feds are required by law to pay full price.


Through lobbying, the Food and Drug agencies have been captured by this industry insuring patent protection and fast track to approval on new medications.


Perhaps I am off topic but I think these drugs and the profession psychiatry have become inextricably attached.
 
Last edited:
Oct 2015
412
Northwest Territories, USA
#42
Yes, it is easy to blame Big Pharma...

Each time I go to the doctor, they ask me if I am depressed.

Perhaps I am off topic but I think these drugs and the profession psychiatry have become inextricably attached.
Maybe you should find another doctor.

Yes, you're way off topic but this is far more interesting than the question!
 

larkin

Ad Honorem
Sep 2009
3,698
#43
These questionaires show up in GP offices, not specialists. i have heard about it on more that one occasion in addition to my own personal experience. They receive these forms from the drug salesmen that bring with them samples and persuasive testimonials written by PR firms.

This is a forum and hopefully there will be more than one point of view besides your own.

And yes, I believe Psychiatry as a field, shapes professional attitudes and increasingly, professionals are relying on psychotropic medications more and more.
 
Dec 2011
4,808
Iowa USA
#44
Yes, it is easy to blame Big Pharma...

Each time I go to the doctor, they ask me if I am depressed. If I happen to say yes, I am given a questionnaire that is a template for what sort of medication I should be prescribed. Who provided my health care provider with these questionnaires?


A sizable percentage of Big Pharma's in house research dollars go towards marketing and patent re-regulation. Their primary purpose is to manufacture these medications and get them to market.


You and I, through our tax dollars pays around 40% of crucial research in pharmaceutical remedies. Patents and licenses are given to this industry, gratis.


The public receives no royalties and the Feds are required by law to pay full price.


Through lobbying, the Food and Drug agencies have been captured by this industry insuring patent protection and fast track to approval on new medications.


Perhaps I am off topic but I think these drugs and the profession psychiatry have become inextricably attached.
This reads as very much on topic to me, I believe you are bringing forward facts which illuminate some of the interested forces which influence the professionals' setting in which they practice.

There is a lot of literature coming from academic disciplines outside of medicine/biology which critique the position of medical "providers".
 
#45
what makes a person "mentally ill"? isn't it just a body of work that's moral/subjctive belief, not fact?
What makes someone mentally ill is their inability to cope unassisted with normal life, if they are an adult of otherwise sound body, mental capacity and normal cognitive development (there are numerous things which might make a person of sound body and normal intelligence need assistance coping with normal life, e.g. not speaking the language of the country they live in, or developmental disorders such as Asperger syndrome, which contrary to popular belief is not classified as a mental illness).

Not coping with normal life can either be externally or internally measured. Obviously someone with severe depression who attempts suicide is not coping with ordinary life. But sometimes not coping manifests itself through extreme dysphoria, which is usually self-reported. Dysphoria is basically unhappiness, which becomes clinically significant when it starts making someone unable to cope with normal life. This is when things start getting a little subjective - is dysphoria always about external and structural factors, or is it sometimes about attitude?

But anyway, obviously some mental illnesses have concrete and measurable symptoms, such as schizophrenia, so those at least are facts.
 
#46
This reads as very much on topic to me, I believe you are bringing forward facts which illuminate some of the interested forces which influence the professionals' setting in which they practice.

There is a lot of literature coming from academic disciplines outside of medicine/biology which critique the position of medical "providers".
What I hear from the States is that a significant minority of your doctors (not always just psychiatrists) are ruthless shysters who shouldn't be let within a mile of a hospital, and think that there isn't a medical problem on record that can't be solved with drugs. However please don't let this put you off psychiatry as a science - over here in the UK (or at least in Scotland where I live, less so in England) we get all our medicine for free. Doctors still have a habit of handing out antibiotics like penny sweets but pharmaceutical stooges flogging drugs to make money is a non-issue. It's more common here to be referred to therapies such as CBT, and to use drugs only as a last resort. You certainly don't get directed towards drugs as a first port of call when you first report psychiatric symptoms.
 
Mar 2012
18,030
In the bag of ecstatic squirt
#48
Yes, it is easy to blame Big Pharma...

Each time I go to the doctor, they ask me if I am depressed. If I happen to say yes, I am given a questionnaire that is a template for what sort of medication I should be prescribed. Who provided my health care provider with these questionnaires?


A sizable percentage of Big Pharma's in house research dollars go towards marketing and patent re-regulation. Their primary purpose is to manufacture these medications and get them to market.


You and I, through our tax dollars pays around 40% of crucial research in pharmaceutical remedies. Patents and licenses are given to this industry, gratis.


The public receives no royalties and the Feds are required by law to pay full price.


Through lobbying, the Food and Drug agencies have been captured by this industry insuring patent protection and fast track to approval on new medications.


Perhaps I am off topic but I think these drugs and the profession psychiatry have become inextricably attached.
Agreed, the commercial aspect of the exercise of profession by psychiatrists and the production of products by companies makes the entire situation anomalous to a certain degree. This is not however to dismiss the validity of then in given situations.
 
Sep 2015
351
Greece
#49
What I hear from the States is that a significant minority of your doctors (not always just psychiatrists) are ruthless shysters who shouldn't be let within a mile of a hospital, and think that there isn't a medical problem on record that can't be solved with drugs.
That's the little experience I 've had with psychiatrists here(of course not all of them) with the difference that many of them are working in hospitals and of course at the same time retain their own private office/business.Lately with the help of the financial crisis these (http://www.radiantpharmabd.com/products/Lexotanil-Box.jpg , http://www.canadianpharmacy365.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/xanax-bar.png) are sold like candy especially in big cities with chaotic rhythms of life like Athens.
 
Oct 2012
8,545
#50
Yes, it is easy to blame Big Pharma...

Each time I go to the doctor, they ask me if I am depressed. If I happen to say yes, I am given a questionnaire that is a template for what sort of medication I should be prescribed. Who provided my health care provider with these questionnaires?


A sizable percentage of Big Pharma's in house research dollars go towards marketing and patent re-regulation. Their primary purpose is to manufacture these medications and get them to market.


You and I, through our tax dollars pays around 40% of crucial research in pharmaceutical remedies. Patents and licenses are given to this industry, gratis.


The public receives no royalties and the Feds are required by law to pay full price.


Through lobbying, the Food and Drug agencies have been captured by this industry insuring patent protection and fast track to approval on new medications.


Perhaps I am off topic but I think these drugs and the profession psychiatry have become inextricably attached.
That's merely a function of the byzantine drug approval process, it can cost over a billion dollars to bring a drug to market putting the task out of reach of anybody but large and powerful multinational companies. The only way to curtail the influence of a few powerful drug companies over the entire market segment is to get rid of the FDA and the drug approval process. Let people bring drugs straight to market with no or minimal clinical testing, as was the case in the late 19th century when there was considerable competition in the drug market. Require truth in advertising, of course, make drug companies publish the composition of their drugs and their research, such as it is, but let the general public judge the quality of that research and make their own decisions about their medication based on the literature available in the field (like we do with pretty much every other product in the world). Once any biochemist with a bright idea can bring his own drugs to market at minimum expense and without the involvement of these multi-national pharmaceutical companies, you'll see the dynamics of the market change relatively quickly.

You can't blame the companies for the status quo, they're merely doing what they need to survive in the regulatory environment. Get rid of the regulatory environment and capitalism will fix the problems in no time.