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And I grew up in Russian garrisons in Poland, Belarus and East Germany. And in the 1980s I lived in Russia for 5 years - in her remote places. And I can say that Russia is the most unusual country you can imagine. And the strangest. And these were interesting years. I have stated all my impressions in my book. You can congratulate me - yesterday the book came out of print. 580 pages with many shots
in my eyes, Russia is a good country. As Vldimir Putin stated , if the world doesn't have Russia, then the world won't exist. Something along the lines. He is right the world without Russia is not the same. What is Ukraine? Even a small nation as Belarus (9.5mln). We are nobody. Although, Belarusians are tough. We know this after studying WWI and WWII.''

Dir! This is true.
 
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Dir! My daughter is half Russian. Russians are beautiful. You know this.
Hmmm... My first wife was Russian by ethnicity. And my actual )) wife is from Russia, too. But she is finno-ugric. Both are nice
Dir! My daughter is half Russian. Russians are beautiful. You know this.
My first wife was Russian by ethnicity. And my current wife is also from Russia. But she is Finno-Ugric. Both are beautiful. And Ukrainian women are no worse
 

arkteia

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Nov 2012
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With the publication of documents in Russia situation is difficult. Especially with the documents on former KGB officers. Therefore, special attention is given to their colleagues who have something to remember about Putin, about the KGB environment that brought him up and about the feedback of those with whom he studied at the KGB intelligence school.



All the work of the KGB inside the Land of the Soviets was dirty. A little cleaner was the work outside this country, but very little. I'm not saying that all KGB officers were recruited from stukachi . And I do not say that all stukachi became KGB officers. I just say that stukachi were a very important channel for the replenishment of the KGB officers. And such candidates seem to be not much embarrassed by the dirt in the work of the KGB.

I want to remind you that Putin worked for 9 years (1975-1984) in the most "dirty" 5th KGB Department.
I just checked Wiki, for lack.of a better source. They said, Second Directorate. Not 5th.

Let us put it so. Any intelligence, and especially, counter-intelligence work, in any country, is dirty. I don't know the details of such work, but mostly, I don't want to know.

I understand some of your feelings - I remember how we tried to figure out who was a stukach among the students in my college. Even that was not pleasant.

After that, Putin graduated from the KGB intelligence school. But after graduation he was not sent to intelligence. Here Shvets is absolutely right.

Rezun (Suvorov) graduated from such a school, Kravchenko graduated from such a school, Litvinenko and several others whom we know. All of them served as spies in Western countries. Putin was instead sent not even to the Third World countries, but to Eastern Germany which was under full Russian control. Moreover - he was arranged for the post of Director of the Dresden Friendship House of the USSR-GDR - and it was humiliating for a graduate of the intelligence school. He was in this position all the time from 1985 to 1990. Almost till the very end of the Soviet presense in the GDR. I know well what happened there in the late 90s. All those who could from Soviet officers retrained in merchants and engaged in the sale of property of the Soviet garrisons. These officers who returned from Germany , were neighbors of our company in 1993 and told me what was happening there.

I have two living examples of sons of a big KGB boss. About one - my sister's friend - I've already said. Another one studied with me at the institute. It was KIIGA - Kiev Institute of Civil Aviation Engineers. I studied there from 1973 to 1979. I accidentally found out that the father of this student holds a solid post in the KGB. After our institute the son also went to the KGB. I met him a few years ago. He then already left the SBU where he switched when the KGB finished its activity in Ukraine. I couldn’t share with him nostalgia about our college years during the meeting. He offered me to take part in some transactions and did not talk of anything more. I was not interested in that. Many KGB officers went into business. And retired SBU officers are also often in business. And many officers of the Soviet army also went into business. And for those of them who migrated from East Germany - from the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (I lived there in the Soviet garrisons in the 1970s) - Germany arranged free business schools in Ukraine.

Not surprisingly, after his dismissal from the KGB, Putin also joined in commerce, using his work in the administration of St. Petersburg. And he became a schemer. And in 1992 was the subject of an investigation of fraud in Petersburg

So I think that the sons of the KGB fathers went to the less dirty departments in that structure. Or did not joined KGB at all. And Putin came to the most dirty department
I can not comment on Putin's career in the KGB. Maybe, he did not have enough blat, connections? He was from an ordinary, even poor, family.

But I don't respect defectors, of any country, any system, any continent. I don't think highly of Gordievsky, Litvinenko or Rezun. These people defected, mostly, for money, and their actions lead to the downfall of too many people working without any "cover". And I never subscribed to Rezun's theories, although many people like his books, I know it.

Our "glorious" Party tried to build a system that did not work, couldn't work, didn't want to work. So the party created "the enforcer", VCK-NKVD-KGB. That grew into another bureaucracy. Producing a lot of paperwork, I assume, like the Party itself. Shrouded in mystery, so we'll never know the details of its officers' jobs or lives. When the socialist system eventually fell apart, when the party was dismantled, the KGB was the only organization that had some semblance of order, so it took the reigns. So of course KGB took over business, because the new country was trying to create a business-oriented society now. There was no other organized force. This is why, as you said, "many KGB officers went into.business". Old cadres were building a new system.

Could things happen differently? Yes, if the Soviet Union somehow fell apart or miraculously stopped building communism in the 60-es. When the Western countries were economically stronger. This is why I sincerely feel that assassination of Beria, a monster - was in many ways a tragedy.

As to the Soviet Union, it fell apart too late.

On a personal note, you are a smartie, an aviation engineer!
 
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As to the Soviet Union, it fell apart too late.
The role of the oxygen cushion for that rotten system played the 200 billion petrodollars that the Country of Soviets received from the West for its hydrocarbons in 1970-1980. This is about a trillion dollars at today's rate.

It's funny that Europe plays the same role for Putin’s Russia even now, paying for the revived Moscow Comintern. It's a bit like masochism, isn't it?
 
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arkteia

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The role of the oxygen cushion for that rotten system played the 200 billion petrodollars that the Country of Soviets received from the West for its hydrocarbons in 1970-1980. This is about a trillion dollars at today's rate.

It's funny that Europe plays the same role for Putin’s Russia even now, paying for the revived Moscow Comintern. It's a bit like masochism, isn't it?
What is really upsetting is how much of those petrodollars were spent on supporting communist parties abroad, in Latin America, Africa, etc. All these useless, lazy demagogues. While Soviet people had to stay in line for everything, toilet paper, soap, toothpaste, those foreign communists lived in grand style.
 

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