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arkteia

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I explicitly stated those are rumours, as we don't it was true.

PS Beria was responsible for the creation of 'Sharaski (Experimental Design Bureau) in which prominent Soviet scientists such as Valentin Glushko (born in Odessa), Sergei Korolyov (born in Zhytomir), Andei Tupalev worked as prisoners. PS I recalled these names, as yesterday was International Day of Aviation and Cosmonautics.


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In 1938, Lavrenty Beria, a senior NKVD official, created the Department of Special Design Bureaus at the NKVD USSR (Отдел особых конструкторских бюро НКВД СССР). In 1939, the unit was renamed the Special Technical Bureau at the NKVD USSR (Особое техническое бюро НКВД СССР) and placed under the leadership of General Valentin Kravchenko, under Beria's immediate supervision. In 1941 it received a secret name, the 4th Special Department of the NKVD USSR (4-й спецотдел НКВД СССР).

The scientists and engineers at a sharashka were prisoners picked from various camps and prisons and assigned to work on scientific and technological problems for the state. Living conditions were usually much better than in an average taiga camp, mostly because of the absence of hard labor.

The results of the research in sharashkas were usually published under the names of prominent Soviet scientists without credit given to the real authors, whose names frequently have been forgotten. Some of the scientists and engineers imprisoned in sharashkas were released during and after World War II, continuing independent careers and some becoming world-renowned.

Sharashka - Wikipedia
This idea - to not shoot purged scientists but keep them, so that they could work at technological innovations, was practical. Korolyov, the creator of the space program, came from such sharashky.

And btw, Solzhenitsyn survived in one of them, too. He was a mathematician.

Beria himself was a graduate of Polytechnical institute who distinguished himself in mathematics, It is less known, but he did work for one of oil barons, I forgot, whom, before he became the revolutionary.

Basically, neither of Stalin’s henchman was a good person. But Beria went down in infamy, and some became heroes. Unfair. I think Beria was not a good person, but was practical, and saw that the communism wasn’t working. (You know who else saw it? Mikoyan).

And of course, to be honest, he created what was later called “the atom shield of our motherland”, the A-bomb.
 
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This idea - to not shoot purged scientists but keep them, so that they could work at technological innovations, was practical. Korolyov, the creator of the space program, came from such sharashky.

And btw, Solzhenitsyn survived in one of them, too. He was a mathematician.

Beria himself was a graduate of Polytechnical institute who distinguished himself in mathematics, It is less known, but he did work for one of oil barons, I forgot, whom, before he became the revolutionary.

Basically, neither of Stalin’s henchman was a good person. But Beria went down in infamy, and some became heroes. Unfair. I think Beria was not a good person, but was practical, and saw that the communism wasn’t working. (You know who else saw it? Mikoyan).

And of course, to be honest, he created what was later called “the atom shield of our motherland”, the A-bomb.

Many pominent scientists, if not all, were imprisoned under article 58 (political article) of penal code. They were placed in sharashki. Article 58 was used for the imprisonment and execution of many prominent people, as well as multitudes of non-notable innocents. Sentences were long, up to 25 years, and frequently extended indefinitely. Upon release, the prisoner would typically be sent into an exile within Russia without the right to settle within 100 km of large cities. During and after World War II, Article 58 was used to imprison some of the returned Soviet prisoners of war on the grounds that their capture and detainment by the Axis Power.

Those zagradotryady (barrier troops) staying behind the line shooting soldiers that were retreating from battle fields. In Early years of the war many soldiers were inexperienced (необстрелянные) and poorly armed . Barrier troops were created from NKVD troops and Beria as the head of NKVD should take all responsibilities. A report to Commissar General of State Security Lavrentiy Beria on October 10, 1941, noted that since the beginning of the war, NKVD anti-retreat troops had detained a total of 657,364 retreating, spies, traitors, instigators and deserting personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested (of which 10,201 were sentenced to death by court martial (по закону военного времени) and the rest were returned to active duty).

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I can recall а good thing done by NKVD when Beria was Commissar General of State Security. NKVD agents stole secrets of nuclear bomb program from Americans and British. Much of contributuion was made by leutenant general Pavel Sudoplatov , who was also a Ukrainian by descent from what is today Zaporozhia region. As he recalls in his book "Special operations: Lubyanka and Kremlin 1930-1950":

Качество и объем полученной нами информации от источников в Великобритании, Канаде и США были крайне важны для организации и развития советской атомной программы. Подробные доклады об устройстве и эксплуатации первых атомных реакторов и газовых центрифуг, по специфике изготовления урановой и плутониевой бомб сыграли важнейшую роль в становлении и ускорении работы наших атомщиков, потому что целого ряда вопросов они просто не знали.


Это, в первую очередь, касается конструкции системы фокусирующих взрывных линз, размеров критической массы урана и плутония, сформулированного Клаусом Фуксом принципа имплозии, устройства детонационной системы, времени и последовательности операций при сборке самой бомбы и способа приведения в действие её инициатора… Атомная бомба в СССР была создана за 4 года. Если бы не разведчики, этот срок был бы в два раза больше….

…Сегодня, однако, достоверно известно, что первая советская атомная бомба (РДС-1) была до мельчайших деталей скопирована с американской плутониевой, сброшенной на Нагасаки…
Here is Sudoplatov’s book. Chapter 7 of the book discusses nuclear bomb program in USSR : Павел Судоплатов. Спецоперации. Лубянка и Кремль 1930-1950 годы

PS Sudoplatov made a significant contribution to Soviet state such as taking part in planning the liquidation of leaders and SS coloborators in Ukrainian Insurgent Armay also known as UPA. Among those were Roman Shukhevych and Yevhen Konovalets. In the end, Sudoplatov was imprisoned for 10 years in 1958 during Khrushchev's rule for his association with Beria. Also under article 58 of penal code.

PPS Mokyan was one of few people's commissars (later ministers) for whom I may have respect. I suspect he also took part in political repression. Who wasn't in his position in those days?
 
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Apparently, Pavel Sudoplatov organised the liquidation of Leo Trotsky. Hmm. He was a legendary officer in Chk/OGPU/ NKVD . He was rehabilitated in 1992. PS I was mistaken above. Sudoplatov was arrested in 1953 and placed in psychiatric hospital, where he remained till 1958, then imprisoned for association with Beria.

Во время Великой Отечественной войны, возглавляя 4-е управление НКВД, участвовал в организации минирования стратегических объектов в период обороны Москвы, диверсионной деятельности против немецких войск на Кавказе, стратегических радиоигр с немецкой разведкой. Судоплатов непосредственно руководил деятельностью на оккупированной немецкими войсками Западной Украине партизанского отряда специального назначения Дмитрия Медведева, который являлся базой для легендарного разведчика Николая Кузнецова, возглавлял отдел, обрабатывавший информацию о разработке атомной бомбы в США.
Судоплатов, Павел Анатольевич — Википедия

Старший лейтенант государственной безопасности (30.12.1936)
Капитан государственной безопасности (25.09.1938)
Майор государственной безопасности (14.03.1940)
Старший майор государственной безопасности (8.08.1941)
Комиссар государственной безопасности 3-го ранга (14.02.1943)
Генерал-лейтенант (9.07.1945).

Был лишён воинского звания как осуждённый судом Постановлением Совета Министров СССР от 17 октября 1958 года. В 1998 году Президент Российской Федерации подписал Указ о восстановлении в воинском звании генерал-лейтенанта П. А. Судоплатова посмертно в связи с его реабилитацией
 
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arkteia

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Nov 2012
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Many pominent scientists, if not all, were imprisoned under article 58 (political article) of penal code. They were placed in sharashki. Article 58 was used for the imprisonment and execution of many prominent people, as well as multitudes of non-notable innocents. Sentences were long, up to 25 years, and frequently extended indefinitely. Upon release, the prisoner would typically be sent into an exile within Russia without the right to settle within 100 km of large cities. During and after World War II, Article 58 was used to imprison some of the returned Soviet prisoners of war on the grounds that their capture and detainment by the Axis Power.

Those zagradotryady (barrier troops) staying behind the line shooting soldiers that were retreating from battle fields. In Early years of the war many soldiers were inexperienced (необстрелянные) and poorly armed . Barrier troops were created from NKVD troops and Beria as the head of NKVD should take all responsibilities. A report to Commissar General of State Security Lavrentiy Beria on October 10, 1941, noted that since the beginning of the war, NKVD anti-retreat troops had detained a total of 657,364 retreating, spies, traitors, instigators and deserting personnel, of which 25,878 were arrested (of which 10,201 were sentenced to death by court martial (по закону военного времени) and the rest were returned to active duty).

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I can recall а good thing done by NKVD when Beria was Commissar General of State Security. NKVD agents stole secrets of nuclear bomb program from Americans and British. Much of contributuion was made by leutenant general Pavel Sudoplatov , who was also a Ukrainian by descent from what is today Zaporozhia region. As he recalls in his book "Special operations: Lubyanka and Kremlin 1930-1950":



Here is Sudoplatov’s book. Chapter 7 of the book discusses nuclear bomb program in USSR : Павел Судоплатов. Спецоперации. Лубянка и Кремль 1930-1950 годы

PS Sudoplatov made a significant contribution to Soviet state such as taking part in planning the liquidation of leaders and SS coloborators in Ukrainian Insurgent Armay also known as UPA. Among those were Roman Shukhevych and Yevhen Konovalets. In the end, Sudoplatov was imprisoned for 10 years in 1958 during Khrushchev's rule for his association with Beria. Also under article 58 of penal code.

PPS Mokyan was one of few people's commissars (later ministers) for whom I may have respect. I suspect he also took part in political repression. Who wasn't in his position in those days?
Sudoplatov was smart; there were also outstanding people in INO (international department of NKVD), but few survived the purges.

I did read his memoirs, btw. He knew a lot, but not everything. I am reading a book about the Doctors Plot now.

Beria was not a good person if he managed to survive for so long, but he was a talented organizer and a smart man. His trial and execution was a loss. It happens.
 
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Many pominent scientists, if not all, were imprisoned under article 58 (political article) of penal code. They were placed in sharashki.
The Moscow authorities transferred to the sharashkas technical experts who were already in the Gulag on charges of "counterrevolutionary crimes", that is, they've been already imprisoned on political charges . For the prisoners themselves the sharashka provided less harsh conditions of imprison, normal food and salvation from the dying from overwork and malnutrition in some Gulag camp.

It remains to add that the version of the sharashka was also organized for a large number of German military engineers captured by Soviet troops in Germany in 1945 and forcibly sent to Russia. They made a huge contribution to the development of Russian rocket technology and to a number of Russian advanced military developments

Barrier troops were created from NKVD troops and Beria as the head of NKVD should take all responsibilities.
- I do not think so.

The barrier troops were created under the Heads of the Supreme Command Directive No. 001919 of September 12, 1941. Beria as the head of the NKVD only carried out this directive.

I can recall а good thing done by NKVD when Beria was Commissar General of State Security. NKVD agents stole secrets of nuclear bomb program from Americans and British. Much of contributuion was made by leutenant general Pavel Sudoplatov , who was also a Ukrainian by descent from what is today Zaporozhia region. As he recalls in his book "Special operations: Lubyanka and Kremlin 1930-1950"
Are you sure that the NKVD was doing a good job? It is very interesting

Sudoplatov was a professional terrorist. Or rather, he was a terrorist in the state service in a country that was itself a terrorist country. As you probably know, the Country of the Soviets has exterminated much more of her own civilians than any other country in world history.

PS Sudoplatov made a significant contribution to Soviet state such as taking part in planning the liquidation of leaders and SS coloborators in Ukrainian Insurgent Armay also known as UPA. Among those were Roman Shukhevych and Yevhen Konovalets. In the end, Sudoplatov was imprisoned for 10 years in 1958 during Khrushchev's rule for his association with Beria. Also under article 58 of penal code.
More than a strange declaration, as to my opinion.

UPA was created by Ukrainians in the fall of 1942. And its main goal was to oppose the German occupation regime, which robbed Ukrainian villagers and sent Ukrainians to Germany as ostarbeiters. In the German official documents of that time the UPA partisans are designated in the same way as the Soviet partisans or the partisans of the Polish AK (Army Kraiowa) - as “bandits”. As enemies. What "collaboration with the SS" of the UPA do you mean in that situation? There was not a word about any cooperation of the UPA with the Third Reich, and especially with the SS in the materials of the Nuremberg Court, too. I think you are simply repeating the wording of Russian propaganda, in which there is practically no truth about these Ukrainian partisans.

In 1944 when the Russians drove the Germans out of Western Ukraine the UPA launched a partisan war with the Russians. And led the war to the early 1950s. And Sudoplatov de facto became an active participant in a large punitive action against the Ukrainian partisans that the Moscow authorities were conducting there

Pavel Sudoplatov really did his best to the Bolshevik regime. He is a prominent terrorist, and this is the rare case when a terrorist has written a book of memories about his activities. There are many inaccuracies and lies in his memoirs - but they are nonetheless very interesting. Feedback about them here

Убийство полковника Коновальца. Можно ли верить киллеру Судоплатову?

The most famous terrorist action of Sudoplatov is the destruction of the head of the Organization of Ukrainian nationalists Yevgeny Konovalets in 1938. Sudoplatov under the guise of a Ukrainian nationalist handed Konovalets a bomb disguised as a box of chocolates when he met him in the cafe of the hotel "Atlanta" in Rotterdam

Sudoplatov also organized the murder (poisoning) of the Ukrainian bishop Romzha who was hospitalized in Mukachevo (Western Ukraine) after a previous unsuccessful Russian attempt to destroy him in car accident

He took an active part in the preparation of the murder of Trotsky. Sudoplatov also conducted an operation to eliminate the head of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army Roman Shukhevych in 1950 who was KIA.

The story of Sudoplatov is very typical for Russia. Serving faithfully to her authorities and having committed a number of terrorist attacks and other crimes, Sudoplatov was arrested in his own country in 1953 and was in prison for 15 years. Saved him from the execution along with his colleagues just his artistic abilities when Sudoplatov skillfully played the madman in the prison. He spent 5 years in a special psychiatric hospital where his brain was impacted by powerful therapy

When Andropov (the former head of the KGB) became the General Secretary of the Communist Party the authorities allowed Sudoplatov to undergo treatment in the Kremlin's polyclinics and in the KGB hospitals, as well as to rest in sanatoriums for the members of the Central Committee

In 1991, wrote a statement to the Central Committee of the CPSU with a request to restore it to the Communist Party. And after that he wrote his dark memoirs. It remains to add that in Russia which for almost 20 years has been headed by the former Head of the FSB (this is the direct successor of the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD-MGB-KGB), Sudoplatov is again in great honor

Some details (all links are in Russian)
От главного диверсанта сталинской эпохи до "психа". История Павла Судоплатова

I think Pavel Sudoplatov was one of those who are ready to commit any crimes "in the name of his country" without experiencing any remorse. So he was raised in his time. There are a lot of such people in today's Russia
 
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arkteia

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The Moscow authorities transferred to the sharashkas the experts who were already in the Gulag on charges of "counterrevolutionary crimes", that is, they've been already imprisoned on political charges . For the prisoners themselves the sharashka provided much less harsh conditions of imprison, normal food and salvation from the dying from overwork and malnutrition in some Gulag camp.

It remains to add that the version of the sharashka was also organized for a large number of German military engineers captured by Soviet troops in Germany in 1945 and forcibly sent to Russia. They made a huge contribution to the development of Russian rocket technology and to a number of Russian advanced military developments



- I do not think so.

The barrier troops were created under the Heads of the Supreme Command Directive No. 001919 of September 12, 1941. Beria as the head of the NKVD, only carried out this directive.



Do you think the NKVD was doing a good job? It is very interesting

Sudoplatov was a professional terrorist. Or rather, he was a terrorist in the state service in a country that was itself a terrorist country. As you probably know, the Country of the Soviets has exterminated much more of her own civilians than any other country in world history.



More than a strange declaration.

UPA was created by Ukrainians in the fall of 1942. And its main goal was to oppose the German occupation regime, which robbed Ukrainian villagers and sent Ukrainians to Germany as ostarbeiters. In the German official documents of that time the UPA partisans are designated in the same way as the Soviet partisans or the partisans of the Polish AK (Army Kraiowa) - as “bandits”. What "collaboration with the SS" of the UPA do you mean in that situation? There was not a word about any cooperation of the UPA with the Third Reich, and especially with the SS in the materials of the Nuremberg Court, too. I think you are simply repeating the wording of Russian propaganda, in which there is practically no truth about these Ukrainian partisans.

In 1944 when the Russians drove the Germans out of Western Ukraine the UPA launched a partisan war with the Russians. And led the war to the early 1950s. And Sudoplatov de facto became an active participant in a large punitive action against the Ukrainian partisans that the Moscow authorities were conducting there

Pavel Sudoplatov really did his best to the Bolshevik regime. He is a prominent terrorist, and this is the rare case when a terrorist has written a book of memories about his activities. There are many inaccuracies and lies in his memoirs - but they are nonetheless very interesting. Feedback about them here

Убийство полковника Коновальца. Можно ли верить киллеру Судоплатову?

The most famous terrorist action of Sudoplatov is the destruction of the head of the Organization of Ukrainian nationalists Yevgeny Konovalets in 1938. Sudoplatov under the guise of a Ukrainian nationalist handed Konovalets a bomb disguised as a box of chocolates when he met him in the cafe of the hotel "Atlanta" in Rotterdam

Sudoplatov also organized the murder (poisoning) of the Ukrainian bishop Romzha who was hospitalized in Mukachevo (Western Ukraine) after a previous unsuccessful Russian attempt to destroy him in car accident

He took an active part in the preparation of the murder of Trotsky. Sudoplatov also conducted an operation to eliminate the head of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army Roman Shukhevych in 1950.

The story of Sudoplatov is very typical for Russia. Serving faithfully to her authorities and having committed a number of terrorist attacks and other crimes, Sudoplatov was arrested in 1953 and was in prison for 15 years. Saved him from the likelihood of execution, along with his colleagues just his artistic abilities when Sudoplatov skillfully played the madman in the prison. He spent 5 years in a special psychiatric hospital of the Ministry of State Security, where his brain was impacted by powerful therapy

When Andropov (the former head of the KGB) became the General Secretary of the Communist Party the authorities allowed Sudoplatov to undergo treatment in the Kremlin's polyclinics and in the KGB hospitals, as well as to rest in sanatoriums for the members of the Central Committee

In 1991, wrote a statement to the Central Committee of the CPSU with a request to restore it to the Communist Party. And after that he wrote his dark memoirs. It remains to add that in Russia which for almost 20 years has been headed by the former Head of the FSB (this is the direct successor of the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD-MGB-KGB), Sudoplatov is again in great honor

some details
От главного диверсанта сталинской эпохи до "психа". История Павла Судоплатова

I think Pavel Sudoplatov was one of those who are ready to commit any crimes "in the name of his country" without experiencing any remorse. So he was raised in his time. There are a lot of such people in today's Russia
It needs to be mentioned that Sudoplatov witnessed the purges of the people who trained him in INO, such as Spigelglass, Trilisser, Slutsky, Passov. I think he was more driven by fear than anything else. He was harsh, cruel, but inside, extremely scared. We probably can not understand the motives of such people, but fear is an important part that we can not neglect.
 
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Dir! According to your logic if Beria carried out directives, then Sudoplatov was also carrying out directives. In Nuremberg trial many Nazi commanders stated they were only carrying out orders of their commanders . Their excuses were not accepted by the tribuanl and they were found guilty of committing crime against humanity. Sudoplatov was a hero for planning execution of Shukevych alone, who was responsible for killing many Poles in western Ukraine and burning numerous villages in Viciebsk ( my home region) and Mahilou regions.

Shukhevych:

Сотрудничал с нацистской Германией в 1939—1942 годах: обучался в секретной школе абвера, служил в вооружённых подразделениях Третьего рейха, был заместителем командира в спецподразделении «Нахтигаль» в звании гауптман, а с ноября 1941 года заместителем командира 201-го батальона шуцманшафта (Schutzmannschaft Bataillon 201)

Шухевич занимал должность заместителя командира в 201-м охранном батальоне (Schutzmannschaft Battalion 201). Батальон находился в подчинении обергруппенфюрера СС Эриха фон дем Баха. За 9 месяцев пребывания в Белоруссии, по собственным данным, «Украинский легион» (201-охранный батальон) уничтожил более 2000 советских партизан, потеряв 49 человек убитыми и 40 — ранеными
They didn‘t just fight partisans. They burned villages with elderly , women and children.

In Belarus including my home (Viciebsk region)
Из 9200 населённых пунктов, разрушенных и сожжённых немецкими оккупантами и коллаборационистами в Белоруссии во время Великой Отечественной войны, свыше 5295 были уничтожены вместе со всем или с частью населения в ходе карательных операций.[1][2] (Согласно другим данным 5295 — количество уничтоженных населённых пунктов, в том числе 628 — вместе с населением. 186 деревень не смогли возродиться, так как были уничтожены со всеми жителями, включая матерей и грудных детей, немощных стариков и инвалидов.)[3]
В Витебской области 243 деревни сжигались дважды, 83 — трижды, 22 — четыре раза и более. В Минской области сжигались дважды 92 деревни, трижды — 40, четырежды — 9, пять и более раз — 6 деревень.[2]
There is a known Khatyn memorial near Minsk. The village was Polish-Belarusian. All women, children and elderly were burned by Ukrainian collaborators. The last of them died in Canada several years ago. In Soviet times, even these days seldom is mentioned those were SS collaborators mostly from western Ukraine.



Khatyn became a symbol of mass killings of the civilian population during the fighting between partisans, German troops, and collaborators. In 1969, it was named the national war memorial of the Byelorussian SSR. Among the best-recognized symbols of the memorial complex is a monument with three birch trees, with an eternal flame instead of a fourth tree, a tribute to the one in every four Belarusians who died in the war.[5] There is also a statue of Yuzif Kaminsky carrying his dying son, and a wall with niches to represent the victims of all the concentration camps, with large niches representing those with more than 20,000 victims. Bells ring every 30 seconds to commemorate the rate at which Belarusian lives were lost throughout the duration of the Second World War.


Dir! Is Shukevych your hero too?
 
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Are you sure that the NKVD was doing a good job? It is very interesting
ln the case NKVD stealing secrets for creation nuclear bomb? in my opinion that was a good job. I will explain why. In August 1945 USA bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. USA threatened to nuclear bomb USSR. If soviets didn't have their nuke, USA may have done so, since nuclear bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The threat was real. Key cities such as Kiev, Dnipro (where Yushmash is located), Zoporizhia with Motor Sich, Kharkiv with many research institutes could be potential targets. According to Sudoplatov if not for the information was stolen it'd take Kurchatov and his team to create the bomb twice as long.

Also, I've noticed for Ukrainians many people are terrorists , even their own in south-east of the country . While Bandera and Shukevych are heroes responsible for killing Polish and Belarusian civilians are heroes. How recognisable.

PS

Shukhevych was SD (Security Police)
coloborator. He was deputy of commandar of Schutzmannschaft Bataillon 201. Schutzmannschaft Bataillon 201

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The Schutzmannschaft Battalion 201 was a World War II Schutzmannschaft auxiliary police battalion (Schuma) formed by Nazi Germans on October 21, 1941,[1] predominantly from the soldiers of Ukrainian Nachtigall Battalion dissolved two months prior and the Roland Battalion.[1] Nachtigall was a Security Police unit composed almost exclusively from members of the OUN(b), who were transported from Vinnytsia to Neuhammer on August 13, 1941 and disarmed at gunpoint due to political disagreement with the German leadership.[1] Historian Frank Golczewski says the Battalion fought against partisans and participated in the Jewish genocide in Belarus.[2] According to historian John-Paul Himka no one has specifically studied the activities of Schuma 201 in relation to the destruction of the Jewish population. But we do know – wrote Himka – that the Germans routinely used the Schuma battalions in Belarus both to fight partisans and to murder Jews.[3][4]
Battalion 201 numbered 650 persons, most of whom belonged to Stepan Bandera’s wing of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists. It served for a year in Belarus before being disbanded.[5] Roman Shukhevych, the supreme commander of the UPA from 1943 to 1950 was an officer of the battalion.

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PPS Not only civilian Jews, but also civilian Belarusians , Poles and others.
 
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Maribat

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Am I the only one who fails to see the connection between the latest posts here and the name of the thread - the Ukrainian elections?

(We have a joke about Vovochka (a young lad of school age). His teacher asks him - what do you think about when you see a brick? I think about women. But why do you think about women when you see a brick? I always think about women said the boy.)
 

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