Life of Viriathus - timeline

Feb 2019
318
Thrace
#1
I constantly see different dates for various events of his life. So we know the massacre of flos iuventutis happened in 150 BC.

But then on wikipedia it says "Two years after the massacre, in 148 BC, Viriatus became the leader of a Lusitanian army."

Further down the same article it says "Nothing is known about Viriatus until his first feat of war in 149 BC. He was with an army of ten thousand men that invaded southern Turdetania."

But then again, in the bellow article the first event documented after the massacre is a battle in 147 BC, which coincides with wikipedia's date of his rise as the the leader of a Lusitanian army.

Viriathus Timeline - Ancient History Encyclopedia

Appian says "Not long afterward those who had escaped the villainy of Lucullus and Galba, having collected together to the number of 10,000, overran Turditania"

Not long after could indeed mean 149 BC, but I see that in most cases, 147 BC seems to be the date when he became the leader of the Lusitans.
 
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Oct 2015
5,222
Matosinhos Portugal
#2
Viriato.
The Lusitanians were peoples of various tribes who inhabited the west and northwest of the Iberian Peninsula before these lands were conquered by the Romans.





Imagem da Estátua de Viriato em Viseu Portugal - Image of the Viriato Statue in Viseu Portugal

Viriato Heroi Ibérico
Viriato Iberian Hero


Link in portuguese »»» História de Portugal: A figura de Viriato


Lusitanian War - Wikipedia



Viriato Lusitano. Portuguese hero, first king of the Lusitanians (Portuguese's)




Lusitans and the Iberian Tribes
 
Feb 2019
318
Thrace
#3
The Portugues article says he first defeated the Romans in 147 BC and the wikipedia of the Lustian War that you linked says that he was elected as the leader of his people in 146 BC. So again I'm not sure on timeline. Was he elected a year after? I doubt it.

Also your article claims that Gaius Lucilius called him the barbarian Hannibal. I can't find that quote :(

And another question. His wikipedia states that he only ever lost one battle against the Romans. Appians says that Fabius Maximus Aemilianus was the "second Roman general to put him to flight". So I guess the wikipedia article didn't consider his first battle(the one where he escaped Gaius Vetilius) as a loss.
 
Oct 2015
5,222
Matosinhos Portugal
#4
THE BATTLE OF ROUND

It was in the midst of an anxiety of struggle that among the Lusitanians ran the news that the Roman general Caio Vetilio, who was already treading Spanish lands with fresh and fierce troops to end the Lusitanian insurrection because of Serb Galba's betrayal. Caio Vetílio joined in Córdoba the troops that were in the city with the phalanxes brought from Rome. There was no time to lose speed of attack often decides the fate of the battle. Caio Vetílio ordered that his army, of more than ten thousand men, follow in massive mass by the Turdetânia and went to meet the Portuguese tribes. It was not long before the Lusitanian tribes were sighted and Caio Vetílio's order with the traditional password: "No truces, no barracks.
The enthusiasm of the Lusitanians in the first assault was predictable but was impotent, although comparable in number of warriors lacked discipline and the most important of all the order of a general command. Soon the Lusitanians recognized the battle lost, despite the bravery and bravery of their men, but for the lack of foresight to enter the fight without a chief to direct them.
From among the Lusitanians were sent to Caio Vetílio emissaries, carrying up "olive branches", Diálcon said: - We came here to request the suspension of the combat, and peace, surrendering us en masse to the power of Rome.

Caio Vetílio ordered the hostilities to be suspended, and asked:
- Who answers for the revolt against the sovereignty of Rome?
- We all, losing the right of free peoples, but preserving the individual freedom of each Lusitanian.
"That's a lot," said the Roman general.
"We will stay in concentration camps, we will remain quiet and submissive in the fulfillment of all impositions. - said Diálcon
Caio Vetílio had the emissaries withdrawn and returned the next day to sign the pact of surrender.
It was dark night when the emissaries arrived at the Lusitanian camp. In describing the conversation with the general, conveying the demands of this - perpetual and unconditional submission, with hostage guarantee for the effectiveness of the pact, there was a roar like a beast that silenced those present. Viriato made himself heard: "To be a slave of Rome, no covenants are required. How foolish to trust the word of the Romans. Have you forgotten about Serb Galba?
- And what to do?
- Resist!
- Viriato is our boss. Command us against the Roman legions, said the Lusitanian warriors by the voices of their chiefs.
"Listen to the strategy we're going to use.
In this way Viriato convinced his compatriots that using a skillful maneuver divided the troop into small tactical groups and attacked in several fronts, calling to him a group of knights that controlled the positions of the Romans, while the other groups were escaping through the sectors weakest enemy lines, focusing on the place they had previously combined. The group of Viriato knights broke the siege and dragged the Romans towards the ravine of the Sierra de Ronda. When the bulk of the Roman army passed in this narrow canyon where they had no chance of maneuver, the Lusitanians hidden on the steep slopes fell upon them, making an astonishing slaughter in the enemy ranks, and General Caio Vetílio himself was killed.


Yes I will still investigate how many battles the Lusitanians lost with the Romans, as well as Viriato.

I can tell you, that the Romans had battles with the Lusitanians for over 200 years.

Because of the three Lusitanian traitors, who gave rise to the murder of Viriato, more advantage had the Romans on the Iberian peninsula


Friend do a research on the greatest poet of all times Luís Vaz Camões he talks about the Lusiadas and Viriato
 
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Oct 2015
5,222
Matosinhos Portugal
#8
More correct friend is to say that all the Iberian Peninsula, only began to call hispania with the Roman occupation, the whole Iberian peninsula had other names to begin with Lusitania etc.etc.

The Romans had battles with the Lusitanos for more than 200 years. The question asked was it worth it? Yes it was worth the Lusitanos already lived in the Iberian peninsula before the arrival of the Romans, like other peoples, is part of the history of the Iberian peninsula today Portugal and Spain





Lusitania - Wikipedia
 
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#9
From Brill's New Pauly (an ancient history encyclopedia, with articles written by experts): 'Leader of Lusitanian bands and resistance fighter 147-139 BC. After growing up as a herdsman (Diod. 33,1,1), in 150 he escaped Ser. Sulpicius Galba's massacre and in 147 was appointed leader by the Lusitani, who were under pressure from C. Vetilius (App. Ib. 60,251-62,260).'
 
Jan 2015
3,536
Australia
#10
He's in the running for most overrated Roman enemy ever, along with Arminius, etc. The guy beat some relatively small Roman armies, poorly led, when Rome was in the relative infancy of it's Empire building days. His cause was doomed, and he was never a plausible threat in the long term once Rome got serious (which they did). If he hadn't been written about extensively to provide weird moral lessons then he'd be a footnote in Roman history, which he still basically is (just an overly large entry). There were 20-30 enemy commanders, just in the lifetimes of Caesar and Pompey, who were bigger threats than this nobody. If he'd opposed Rome later on in their history, once they'd gotten used to dealing with having a de facto Empire, he'd have been crushed even faster than he was. Nothing about his tactics or strategy suggest a serious general who would stand up to a real Roman army in the centuries that were the hey day of Rome's military might.
 
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