Manchu Queue in inner asia

Sep 2018
46
Germany
Were non 8 banner Mongols under Qing rule requiered to wear the Queue? What about Tibetans and Muslims?
 
Dec 2012
373
i believe that the queue order wasn't really applied to the western regions, and that it was considered a previlage to wear one in the western regions
 

heavenlykaghan

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Mar 2012
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None, except for officials directly appointed by the Qing bureaucracy. Wearing the queue means you are an internal constituent of the Qing empire, Tibet, Xinjiang, and Mongolia are external fan people, therefore they do not wear the queue; only the banner people and the Han civilians do.
 
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May 2017
111
Hong Kong
I read from somewhere that the some highly positioned becks in Xinjing wore queues but it maybe that they also had got official positions from the Qing court.
 
Sep 2018
46
Germany
None, except for officials directly appointed by the Qing bureaucracy. Wearing the queue means you are an internal constituent of the Qing empire, Tibet, Xinjiang, and Mongolia are external fan people, therefore they do not wear the queue; only the banner people and the Han civilians do.
Thank you very much for the answer!
 
Aug 2015
1,891
Los Angeles
None, except for officials directly appointed by the Qing bureaucracy. Wearing the queue means you are an internal constituent of the Qing empire, Tibet, Xinjiang, and Mongolia are external fan people, therefore they do not wear the queue; only the banner people and the Han civilians do.
This is confusing, then does that mean the Qing Empire does not consider them as Qing subjects? Or was there a distinguished part between the Han subjects and Fan subjects and all of them are still Qing subjects?
 

heavenlykaghan

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Mar 2012
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They are Qing subjects; just not internal constituents. They are called Wai fan in Qing sources. Han and Manchu subjects of the Qing are direct subjects and hence were required to wear the queue.
 
Sep 2018
46
Germany
They are Qing subjects; just not internal constituents. They are called Wai fan in Qing sources. Han and Manchu subjects of the Qing are direct subjects and hence were required to wear the queue.
Do you know by any chance if Bannermen could marry Wai fan or if the same laws worked here as with Han civilians?
 

heavenlykaghan

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Mar 2012
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There is no law in the Qing code which states bannerman can't marry outside of the banners, including Han civilians, but its a historical tradition that they do not marry people from the outside. Only Qing royalties occasionally marry Mongols because of political alliances, but not the Zunghars. However, Qing royalties also married with Wu Sangui's family, so its the same with the Han. There are almost no instance of Manchus marrying Uighurs outside of Rong fei (fragrant concubine), but that's an exception to the norm. There is really no standard marriage ideologies for the Manchus, they married outside of the banners for political reasons.
 
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