Mao

Dec 2008
16
He was a doctor of thick black theory, human's publc enemy, catastrophic creator. He taught me one thing: people who can keep up brazening and cruelty will be winners.
 

Edgewaters

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Jul 2007
9,098
Canada
He was a doctor of thick black theory, human's publc enemy, catastrophic creator. He taught me one thing: people who can keep up brazening and cruelty will be winners.
You learned the wrong lesson.

The real lesson with guys like Mao is that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
Jun 2009
31
PRC
Deng has made his appraisal of Mao, 60% achivements & 40% faults. Maybe different people have different opinion about Mao.But most of the people have their own judgements.
As far as i know, most of the people in China still respect him, more and more people going to his hometown to commenmorate him. Most of the people can understand why Mao made some mistakes affecting so many people.
Mao changed China greatly and changed many people's life.Absolutely,Mao is a great person in the world.
 
Nov 2009
4
.....I figured him as perhaps a sort of "quiet" communist, who wasn't associated with any major atrocities....
if you really think that atrocities are what qualifies a communist, you must be really stupid (without wanting to insult you).

if you really want to judge mao read his "red book" pls, and basic marxist-leninistic theory of marx, engels, lenin and stalin.

just getting any book from a pseudo historian or a populist money-grubber about "mao" or "communism" is more than naive.

in his start mao was good and proper marxist-leninist, but 1956 he became revisionist and gave the speech "on the ten major relationships", and at this point he fails in my eyes. the great leap forward was a economical failure, the cultural revolution severely and unnecessarily damaged education.

mao proves more than anyone that as soon as revisionism starts corrupting marxism-leninism, total failure is inevitable.
 

NewModelSoldier

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Oct 2009
5,021
Vancouver
Oh so you called me really stupid, why on earth would I be offended? My sincerest apologies for my inerrant stupidity in having a little measure of faith in an account of someone actually born and raised in Red China, where are my goddamn brains?

My point about him being a "quiet" communist is that in the West he seems to be not as well talked about, you mention communist leaders to people and while he perhaps could be mentioned, they don't really know a lot about him, and I admit that my knowledge of him is also limited, which is why I made the thread.

I made the thread because I was curious to find out other peoples thoughts on him and to learn about the legacy he created, so if you are quite done with the "inoffensive" insults about my intelligence, then we can proceed.
 
Nov 2009
4
Oh so you called me really stupid, why on earth would I be offended? My sincerest apologies for my inerrant stupidity in having a little measure of faith in an account of someone actually born and raised in Red China, where are my goddamn brains?

My point about him being a "quiet" communist is that in the West he seems to be not as well talked about, you mention communist leaders to people and while he perhaps could be mentioned, they don't really know a lot about him, and I admit that my knowledge of him is also limited, which is why I made the thread.

I made the thread because I was curious to find out other peoples thoughts on him and to learn about the legacy he created, so if you are quite done with the "inoffensive" insults about my intelligence, then we can proceed.
so you feel offended? well you should indeed, if you have NULL education on a gigantic and complicated topic like marxism-leninism, the most modern political doctrine in mankind history. merely being born and raised in red china, thus only being a fraction of it, gives you no right to judge the whole system at all! many people are born in the usa, can they all claim to know what is going on in their country? besides, if you really were born there, you should bring up some real arguments and not some books of pseudo historians and capitalistic publishers - "propaganda leaflets".

western capitalism, and socialism of the ussr and prc until 1956 were two entirely rivaling systems, one threatening the EXISTENCE (!!!) of the other. thus taking what the west says about communism serious is as "intelligent" as taking what hitler tells about jews serious.

mao without no doubt took china from an exploited colony, one of the worst corners of the world, to a superpower by going the way of marxism-leninism (that got more and more corrupted with time). if you really want to know what was all behind it, you must read the first hand literature, i this case the infamous "red book" that summarizes the most important of mao's work.

btw, chinas way to success is not mainly to be credited to capitalism, but the socialistic basis that was laid before. compared to china we can look at india that only went the way of capitalism with a similar amount of citizens, its social circumstances are catastrophic (lack of education, no womens rights, slums, etc.), and economical achievements only a fraction of the prc.
 

Lord_of_Gauda

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Nov 2009
8,402
Canada
China was not a superpower during Mao's reign- China has been a superpower for the last 5-10 years and the foundations of those were the economic reforms of Deng Xiaoping in the 1977-1979 period.
It is when China adopted free market reforms that China's GDP started improving massively.

India, despite being a capitalist nation, had a very left-leaning government till 1991, when the nation switched to free market capitalism. This has led them to become the 4th largest GDP today in PPP terms and the 6th or 7th largest in absolute terms. India lagging behind China is pretty much down to China starting their economic reforms 10-12 years before India did.

As far as human rights and women's rights go, I am sure you will find that India's record in that is far better than that of China's and is also recognised as such by major NGOs.
 

NewModelSoldier

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Oct 2009
5,021
Vancouver
so you feel offended? well you should indeed, if you have NULL education on a gigantic and complicated topic like marxism-leninism, the most modern political doctrine in mankind history. merely being born and raised in red china, thus only being a fraction of it, gives you no right to judge the whole system at all! many people are born in the usa, can they all claim to know what is going on in their country? besides, if you really were born there, you should bring up some real arguments and not some books of pseudo historians and capitalistic publishers - "propaganda leaflets".

western capitalism, and socialism of the ussr and prc until 1956 were two entirely rivaling systems, one threatening the EXISTENCE (!!!) of the other. thus taking what the west says about communism serious is as "intelligent" as taking what hitler tells about jews serious.

mao without no doubt took china from an exploited colony, one of the worst corners of the world, to a superpower by going the way of marxism-leninism (that got more and more corrupted with time). if you really want to know what was all behind it, you must read the first hand literature, i this case the infamous "red book" that summarizes the most important of mao's work.

btw, chinas way to success is not mainly to be credited to capitalism, but the socialistic basis that was laid before. compared to china we can look at india that only went the way of capitalism with a similar amount of citizens, its social circumstances are catastrophic (lack of education, no womens rights, slums, etc.), and economical achievements only a fraction of the prc.
I wasn't born there. I was talking about the book that I had read in the OP, Mao by Jung Chang, herself a Red Guard and not someone simply born there. I would not call a 832 page book on the man with hundreds of interviews with members of the CCP who were part of his administration "propaganda leaflets".

Perhaps if you removed your head out of your ass and turned the vitriol down, you could perhaps realize that I have read up on Mao, but obviously I don't know everything about the subject. You would also realize that this thread I created was not to argue anything, but to learn. If you kept yourself respectable instead of sounding like a 14 year old kid with a Che Guevera shirt, ranting about the "most modern political doctrine in mankinds history", this could be a much more pleasant and illuminating conversation.