MH17: the four persons named as suspects

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Sep 2012
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Linschoten

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Aug 2010
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Welsh Marches
There is a lot of arse covering going on here. We will never get a true answer.
That is how modern (or postmodern!) Russian propaganda works, by muddying the waters so much that eveyone comes to think we will never know the truth. There is every reason to think that this plane was brought down by Russian-backed separatists, which would count as an unfortunate accident from the point of view of the Russian authorities.
 
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Salt Lake City, Utah
Almost everyone believes the Russians and their Ukrie allies did it.

Proving it will be next impossible.
 
Aug 2014
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New York, USA
That is how modern (or postmodern!) Russian propaganda works, by muddying the waters so much that eveyone comes to think we will never know the truth. There is every reason to think that this plane was brought down by Russian-backed separatists, which would count as an unfortunate accident from the point of view of the Russian authorities.
Yes, but a lot of people in the West, especially the media, propagate the view that Putin is personally responsible, as though he personally gave an order to shoot down the plane... which is ridiculous. I am pretty sure even the people who were directly commanding the rebels didn't know it happened until after the fact. I am also surprised that there is not a lot of blame assigned to the airline itself that chose to fly over an active warzone, where they routinely shot down planes before, just so they can save on fuel...
 
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Willempie

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Jul 2015
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That is how modern (or postmodern!) Russian propaganda works, by muddying the waters so much that eveyone comes to think we will never know the truth. There is every reason to think that this plane was brought down by Russian-backed separatists, which would count as an unfortunate accident from the point of view of the Russian authorities.
What I don't like is the idea that the 4 Russkies that were made a suspect, didn't actually fire the thing. It would seem the main accusation is that they supplied the BUK installation, not shot it. By this logic one could charge anyone that supplied weaponry that was used against civilians.

Who I do like to see in court:
-The Russian-Ukranian rebels that fired the BUK.
-The Ukranians who should have closed the air.
-The Dutch officials who didn't warn or close the airspace for planes leaving Schiphol (this gets conveniently forgotten here by the government)

The first ones should get the maximum penalty, which is why I hope that if they ever get charged it wont be here.

And I also would like a proper explanation on the absence of (radar) images.